Who were the parents of sisters, Mary and Biddy Hill from Tipperary, Ireland?

[20meida20]

Matthew,

Mary Hill and Jacob Turnbull were my gg grandparents.  Their lives are quite well documented.  Several family trees exist.  I have scrutinized every single document over many years.  None reveals the place of birth, nor the birth parents of Mary Hill.

Mary Margaret Turnbull's death certificate reveals very little.  (Maiden name Hill).  Her daughter, (my g grandmother), Etty's marriage certificate states that her mother's name was Margaret Slattery.  I believe this to be an error.  Though Etty's birth was unregistered in NZ, other family records would indicate that Mary Hill was indeed her birth mother.

I do not know what became of the Slattery sisters.  The Register of the Hiring and Disposal of Immigrants 1854 shows that Mary was sent to the Rev. Murray at Kangaroo Point.  (This is where the Turnbulls lived).  Catherine was sent to Pittwater.  No Tasmanian marriage, birth or death records lead me to state definitively that they remained on the island.  Most probably they left.

Again many, many thanks,
Mary

[matthewj64]

Looking at 'All Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915' on Ancestry and searching for Biddy Hill or Bridget Hill, Tipperary, 5 years either side of 1835 brings up only one result for each name, neither of families of these have good matches with a Mary Hill that I can see.

If I may put forward for consideration, the use of 'Slattery' for the mother's maiden name in the NZ cert. brings up the possibility that Mary Hill may for some reason have emigrated under an assumed name, and in fact actually be a third Slattery sister.

M

[wivenhoe]

I think this is very likely your Catherine (Kate Mary) SLATTERY.

Printout of death record, 1896, would record parents.....information about her origins.

BDM Tasmania
AUSTIN female 29 Sep 1857
Parents Abraham AUSTIN butcher / Kate Mary AUSTIN formerly SLATTERY
Informant Kate Mary AUSTIN mother Murray St

AUSTIN female  29 Apr 1859
Parents Abraham AUSTIN butcher  / Kate Mary AUSTIN formerly SLATTERY
Informant mother Kate M AUSTIN  mother Murray Street (signed)

AUSTIN Austen Francis 8 Jul 1861
Parents Abraham AUSTIN butcher / Kate AUSTIN formerly SLATTERY
Informant Abm AUSTIN father Elizabeth St (signed)

AUSTIN Agnes 12 Mar 1863
Parents Abraham AUSTIN butcher / Kate Mary AUSTIN formerly SLATTERY
Informant Abm AUSTIN father Elizabeth St (signed)

No marriage to find in Tasmania for this couple.

BDM NZ births
1865/17703 AUSTIN   Alfred Arthur        parents   Kate Mary   / Abraham

1868/30615 AUSTIN   Arthur Augustin      parents Kate Mary / Abraham

1870/33284 AUSTIN   Amy Grace           parents    Kate   / Abraham

1874/22099 AUSTIN   Albert Ernest        parents   Kate   / Abraham


BDM NZ death
1877/3419 AUSTIN   Abraham   58Y
1896/2549 AUSTIN   Catherine   66Y

Catherine AUSTIN buried Southern Cemetery, Dunedin
died 10 Aug 1896

Abraham AUSTIN  buried Southern Cemetery, Dunedin
died 19 Jan 1877

Jacob TURNBULL      buried Southern Cemetery Dunedin
last address Clarendon St Dunedin  died 13 Apr 1886

Mary TURNBULL       buried Southern Cemetery Dunedin
died 11 Jan 1872

Electoral Roll NZ (Ancestry)

1870-1871
TURNBULL Jacob   dwelling house Hanover St Dunedin
AUSTIN Abraham   house Great King Street Dunedin

1875-1876
TURNBULL Jacob   dwelling house Hanover St Dunedin
TURNBULL Coll      dwelling house Great King Street Dunedin
AUSTIN Abraham   house Great King Street Dunedin

[matthewj64]

Possibly Mary Slattery

1855 - 'The undersigned having purchased...well-known business..Mary J. Slattery'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3337114

1856 - Pastry Cook wanted, Miss Slattery
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article8784780

1857 - Insolvent court
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201342553

Marriage 1859 Victoria - Thomas TOBIN to Mary Julia SLATTERY 'daughter of Lawrence Slattery Esq Tipperary'
1859 'Family Notices', http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66053705

Death - Mary Julia TOBIN, Ararat Victoria 16 June 1901 aged 63y Vic reg. 4223/1901
f. Lawrence SLATTERY m. Julia MURRAY

1901 'Family Notices', The Ballarat Star http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207503150

Death 1906 Thomas TOBIN 'He married in Maldon a sister of the late Archdeacon Slattery...'

Patrick Joseph SLATTERY
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/slattery-patrick-joseph-4591

M

[matthewj64]

From 'All Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915' on Ancestry, search 1835 10y +/-

Parents Lawrence Slattery and Julia Murray/Murry, Nenagh Tipperary
1832 Catherine (mother's name written Julian)
1834 ?? (first name obscured)
1836 William
1840 Eliza
1845 William

Parents John James Hill and Mary Murray, Nenagh Tipperary (EDIT John > James)
1830 John
1833 Mary

[20meida20]

Matthew,

Your work is superb!!  Thank you.  This is a splendid 'fit' for Mary J. Slattery.  I have enjoyed reading it very much.

Mary

[20meida20]

Wivenhoe,

Yes, I think it very likely too that this is the Catherine (Kate Mary) Slattery I have been seeking.

Thank you,
Mary

[matthewj64]

Matthew,

Your work is superb!!  Thank you.  This is a splendid 'fit' for Mary J. Slattery.  I have enjoyed reading it very much.

Mary

Thanks, its a very intriguing thread!

A couple of baptism entries from St Joseph's Hobart (TAHO NS1052 microfilm Z2088 Z2089)

Mary Ann TURNBULL born Jan 5 1856, bapt. Jan 30
f. Jacob TURNBULL m. Margaret Mary (olim HILL)
sponsors Peter REYNOLDS, Bridget HILL

Cecilia TURNBULL born June 3 1857 bapt. July 29
f. Jacob TURNBULL m. Margaret Mary (olim HILL)
sponsor Kate Mary AUSTIN

Chaplain for both was Chas. Woods, the Reverend Dean mentioned in Bridget's 1925 death notice

I think the 1856 Agnes birth listed by me previously is likely a different family as the date, father's name and location are mismatches

M

[wivenhoe]

When Mary Margaret TURNBULL dies, NZ 1877, husband Jacob is sole parent to eight children under thirteen.

Jacob does not remarry. Who is raising these children?.

Mary, Cecilia and William might be taken in by friends / neighbours ....board for domestic work.

The little ones would need more care. I suspect that they are raised by family......SLATTERY / HILL / TURNBULL / AUSTIN?

So far..............is there a record to describe Catherine and Mary SLATTERY to be sisters, or Mary and Biddy HILL to be sisters.....full or half or step etc.  Collectively they are described as four cousins?  The presentation of their names on the passengers makes it likely, and obviously the first path to take for research.

These two documents would be useful to your research -
BDM NZ  death (printout)
1896/2549  AUSTIN   Catherine   66Y

BDM VIC  marriage
3430/1859 SLATTERY Mary Julia      marr.      TOBIN, Thomas