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Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« on: Saturday 05 September 20 17:54 BST (UK) »
My ancestor Alice Wharton was born about 1790 in Orton, Westmorland. I have her baptism which named her parents as James Wharton and Ann Birkett. I easily found James and Ann's marriage which took place the year before Alice's birth at Orton.

There are 9 potential siblings for Alice but I'm not sure whether they belong to the same couple or two separate couples  ??? They were all baptised at Orton between 1790 and 1811:

Alice, daughter of James Wharton and Ann Birkett
Ann, daughter of James Wharton and Hannah Bird
Hannah, daughter of James Wharton and Hannah Bird
Philip, son of James Wharton and Hannah Barret
John, son of James Wharton and Hannah Bird
Margaret, daughter of James Wharton and Hannah Bird
Elizabeth, daughter of James Wharton and Hannah Bird
Thomas, son of James Wharton and Hannah Bird
Jane, daughter of James Wharton and Hannah Bird
Robert, son of James Wharton and Hannah Bird

I understand "Ann" was often used as a variant of Hannah but I'm confused about the maiden name alternating between Birkett, Bird and Barret!

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Re: Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 September 20 18:25 BST (UK) »
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You dont state what name Hannah/Ann used at marriage.
You dont say if you've seen originals,  or used transcription.  Do originals give abode or occupation?

Was the bride/wife/kids' mother baseborn? Had a stepfather?
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Re: Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 September 20 18:30 BST (UK) »
Sorry, James married Ann Birkett on 8 October 1789 in Orton. I've only seen transcriptions so far.

I've since found that James was a freeholder in Tebay, Orton. In 1841 and 1851, James' wife is "Hannah Wharton" who was born about 1768 in "Stavely, Westmorland".

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Re: Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 05 September 20 20:09 BST (UK) »
Could it be possible that "Birkett" has been abbreviated on the original register and has been misread as "Bird"?

I believe Staveley was covered by Kendal parish  ???

9 Oct 1768, Ann Birckett, d. of Matthew and Dorothy Birckett

Alternatively in Kendal...

18 October 1767, Hannah Bird, d. of Philip Bird
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Re: Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 September 20 10:42 BST (UK) »
I haven't had the opportunity to see the image of the register, I'm using F.M.P so I can only see the transcription. Not sure if the images are even online  ???

The baptism for Hannah Bird stands out, mainly because James and Hannah/Ann did have a son named Philip Wharton so he may have been named for his maternal grandfather.

Is there a marriage between a James Wharton and Hannah Bird that I haven't found yet? Could Ann Birkett have died and James remarried?

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Re: Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 September 20 11:07 BST (UK) »
I haven't had the opportunity to see the image of the register, I'm using F.M.P so I can only see the transcription. Not sure if the images are even online  ???

Ancestry also only has the transcript which like F M P  is taken from familysearch so not an independent transcript
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Re: Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 September 20 11:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks, rosie. I'm now under the impression that Hannah and Ann were the same person but whether her name was Birkett or Bird I can't quite make up my mind. She married as "Ann Birkett" so I'm leaning towards that choice.

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Re: Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 September 20 11:57 BST (UK) »
If she was Hannah but known as Ann, I'd expect her to have been baptised as Hannah.

Sorry, but I'd consider the 1767 baptism for Hannah Bird, the daughter of Philip.

Philip Bird was married to Elizabeth Longmire at Kendal on 25 Feb 1759. Transcription only I'm afraid.


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Re: Was Ann Birkett also Hannah Bird ? ?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 September 20 13:41 BST (UK) »
As the transcript for the marriage on all the sites was from a familysearch transcript I would suggest that the original is checked as it could possibly be wrong.
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