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Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« on: Wednesday 09 September 20 14:23 BST (UK) »
I’ve been trying for a while to confirm details of my gt gt Aunt...
She was born MARY ANN FORTNAM in 1850 - Bentley/Feckenham area.
I know quite a lot about her - who her parents and siblings were ( her sister Elizabeth Sarah is my gt gt grandmother)  and I think she married an Alfred John Tongue. Possibly had a son - Ernest Alfred and settled in Redditch ??

However ..... if all info I’ve seen is correct she is listed on the 1891 Census as also having a 1 yr old daughter - Margaret A(?)born in “Warwickshire/Birmingham” , but I can find no record of either a birth or death of this child. ??

It’s strange as I have so much info about Mary Ann’s sister and her family (my direct relations ),  but I’m really struggling with her. My gt gt grandmothers obituary - in 1938 - is almost half a page in the local paper but no mention is made of her sister or her family - either living or deceased.

The biggest mystery for me concerns the child .. maybe the census is wrong ??
Any help would be gratefully appreciated.!


Pardoe, Stiles/Styles,  Harris,  Drinkwater,  Eagles,  Rolinson, Rollinson,  Fortnam , Athrelpho, Perkins,  Bridges - Woodward - Worcestershire.
Staunton, Woodyatt  - Herefordshire
Bell, Cty Durham

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Re: Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 15:52 BST (UK) »
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she is listed on the 1891 Census as also having a 1 yr old daughter - Margaret A(?)born in “Warwickshire/Birmingham” ,

What surname does this child have please?
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Re: Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 16:24 BST (UK) »
It’s Tongue - same as the grown ups ... as far as I can see
Pardoe, Stiles/Styles,  Harris,  Drinkwater,  Eagles,  Rolinson, Rollinson,  Fortnam , Athrelpho, Perkins,  Bridges - Woodward - Worcestershire.
Staunton, Woodyatt  - Herefordshire
Bell, Cty Durham

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Re: Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 17:10 BST (UK) »
1873  birth on freebmd - Ernest Alfred Tongue - mothers maiden name Fortnam per

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Have you checked the 1881 census?  Only one child plus a nephew Walter Tongue aged 15
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Re: Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 17:13 BST (UK) »
In 1891 Alfred & Mary are living in Redditch Worcester whereas the child was born in Birmingham.  Is the child with them in 1901?

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Indexed as Longue in 1901.  Margaret not with them.

Mary died 1910 aged 60 - Alfred living alone in 1911
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Re: Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 18:10 BST (UK) »
Yes - have seen Ernests birth 👍
Can’t find them on the 1901 census - unless its been wrongly transcribed
Pardoe, Stiles/Styles,  Harris,  Drinkwater,  Eagles,  Rolinson, Rollinson,  Fortnam , Athrelpho, Perkins,  Bridges - Woodward - Worcestershire.
Staunton, Woodyatt  - Herefordshire
Bell, Cty Durham

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Re: Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 18:22 BST (UK) »
Ha - just found this myself .. thank you for confirming
Still confusion over the child though 🤔
Pardoe, Stiles/Styles,  Harris,  Drinkwater,  Eagles,  Rolinson, Rollinson,  Fortnam , Athrelpho, Perkins,  Bridges - Woodward - Worcestershire.
Staunton, Woodyatt  - Herefordshire
Bell, Cty Durham

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Re: Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 19:16 BST (UK) »
It's probably enumerator error.  Somebody else's child entered as theirs 
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Re: Mary Ann Fortnam /Tongue ??
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 16 September 20 17:48 BST (UK) »
Deaths: February 21 (1894), at Childswickham, Margaret Ann, the dearly beloved adopted daughter of Alfred and Mary Ann Tongue. Sincere thanks are returned for kind sympathy.