Ethel Quin

[jonw65]

Another one?
June 1932 Manchester N. 8d 805
Wills, Gladys   
mother Jeffries   

[IgorStrav]

Thanks, Jon - maybe I'm a theory too far!

For some reason I have difficulty in searching Ancestry for births, especially with a date range.

[jonw65]

Hi
That surname of Gladys is always an awkward one!
I just use Jeff*, and hope for the best!

It did look promising for a while, with those redacted entries.

But, more importantly, a big well done to you on this. Really good news about the birth certificate, which has surely confirmed your theory that Ethel Quin was born as Ethel Wills (mother Quin!)
Great thread, hope there is more to come.
John

[heywood]

Well done from me too,  IgorStrav. You have been very generous and worked so hard. 

[IgorStrav]

Well there is a further update

I have now received the marriage certificate in 1959 for Charlie Richardson and Ethel Quin
(yet more evidence of my incorrigible nosiness).


The bride is is shown as
aged 31 years at the marriage date of 14th February 1959 - which fits with a 19th January 1928 birth previous marriage dissolved - which fits with Carole's discovery of the Geoffrey Baird divorce/remarriage
father:  George QUIN (deceased), Adoptive father, Engineering fitter.

I have an extensive Quin/Wills family tree, but the only George Quin I have so far is Ethel's uncle, who was unmarried in 1939, and seems unlikely to be an adoptive father.  Ethel's grandfather, William George Quin was however a 'general fitter - engineering) in the 1939.

We will of course have to see what the adoption records may reveal.

Added:  If I were Ethel's daughter, I would also be investing in Ethel's sister Agnes's birth certificate to see if she, too, was adopted.  However, I do indeed appreciate the costs of doing this sort of research, as we all know.

[derekjwatson25]

Igor you research has been amazing and I would like to thank you and everyone else who has contributed to this immense mystery.
I’m in touch with the daughter in spain and she has applied fir the adoption records. I will try to research the possibilities of the 2 other Wills children (Agnes and Winifred) .  Just disappointed that the person who owns Winifred Wills family tree has not replied to my request for information.

[CaroleW]

Just to endorse my comments to Igor in my many pm's - WOW.

He went "above and beyond" in paying for both the 1928 birth cert and the 1959 marriage cert but just look how it has advanced this post.

We now know for certain that Ethel Quin was actually born Ethel Wills in 1928 and despite 2 previous marriages in 1947 and 1952 she married for a 3rd time in 1959 to Charlie Richardson as Ethel Quin.

Charlie died in 1998 but we don't know if that marriage survived or if Ethel went on to marry for a 4th time.  Charlie didn't leave a will so no clues there

Have messaged the Wills tree owner who is a descendant of Ethel's eldest sister Winifred to see if any info is known.   

I messaged the Richardson tree owner back in September but at that time we were unsure if the 1959 marriage was relevant.  He had no info about Ethel but I have messaged again with updated info. 

SO - the hunt for Ethel after 1959 continues.  Did she stay with Charlie or did they divorce?

Both Igor and myself have searched deaths for all Ethel's with a birthdate of 19.1.1928 but zilch.

If she died before 1969 there won't be a birthdate

 

[derekjwatson25]

Ethel Richardson appears on the 1960 electoral role but I can’t find her beyond that

[CaroleW]

Reply received from Richardson tree owner but he has no info re Ethel after the marriage. 

Couple of thoughts

Charlie Richardson was born in Durham but died Slough 1998.  Was there any obit in the local paper? 

How available are divorce records for the 1960/70's?