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Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« on: Thursday 01 October 20 00:13 BST (UK) »
Trying to look for the children of Arnold Watt Blair (1886-1948) and Annie Henderson Hall (1887-1983) of Durham. I have 3 of the children, Arnold Blair Jr 1914-2007, married the widowed Gladys Rosenthal in 1951. Gladys died in 1997 aged 78. Annie Blair 1915-1987, and Nancy Blair. I'm not sure how to find out anymore children, I've had a look at some family trees on Ancestry but haven't found much.

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Re: Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 October 20 01:07 BST (UK) »
The marriage was 1914.  Can't see a birth for a Nancy Blair

Who did Annie marry?  Use freebmd to search for births to that marriage.

Suggest you look at the 1951 marriage for Arnold on free bmd - surname was not Rosenthal on marriage.  It was her maiden name.  Again - use free bmd to search for a birth with that mothers maiden name.

Gladys's first husband died in WW2 aged 23.  She had 2 children to her first marriage

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Re: Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 October 20 06:05 BST (UK) »
I don't think Annie married.  She is Annie Blair in 1939 registry with no cross out and married name plus she is in the deaths registered in 1987 with the same birthdate as in 1939 register.

Isn't Nancy a nickname for Ann?  Maybe she was locally called Nancy rather than Annie jr.

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Co. Durham:  Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener, Lamb
Northumberland:  Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath
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Re: Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 October 20 07:03 BST (UK) »
Annie's birth registered South Shields December quarter 1915 mothers maiden name Hall


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Re: Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 October 20 10:01 BST (UK) »
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Annie Blair 1915-1987, and Nancy Blair.

Gives the impression of 2 separate children.  Post also refers to 3 children

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Isn't Nancy a nickname for Ann?

Distinct possibility

Wonder why Daniel didn't find her on the 1939 register or her death?
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Re: Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 October 20 10:43 BST (UK) »
Isn't Nancy a nickname for Ann?  Maybe she was locally called Nancy rather than Annie jr.

My late aunt, named Annie, was invariably known as Nancy.
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Re: Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 October 20 13:51 BST (UK) »
It looks as though there were only 2 children - not 3.  Arnold & Annie


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Re: Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 01 October 20 14:52 BST (UK) »
Trying to look for the children of Arnold Watt Blair (1886-1948) and Annie Henderson Hall (1887-1983) of Durham. I have 3 of the children, Arnold Blair Jr 1914-2007, married the widowed Gladys Rosenthal in 1951. Gladys died in 1997 aged 78. Annie Blair 1915-1987, and Nancy Blair. I'm not sure how to find out anymore children, I've had a look at some family trees on Ancestry but haven't found much.

Hi
It really does help if you give places you know they lived etc as well as dates.
and though ancestry trees 'can' be helpful to give clues, we have no idea how well trees have been researched so its really best to do your own research using the available records and then compare to other trees and, if possible, contact the tree owner to see if they are willing to discuss any discrepancy.

Marriages Q1 1914, South Shields Registration District  for Arnold Blair and Annie Hall per Free BMD

NB check the image for this registration as his spouses surname has been transcribed as 'Halal' in error, the image does say Hall - correction submitted to FreeBMD but it takes a while to check submissions and update the database. 

His entry in the probate calendar (and that of his wife and also his daughter Annie) all show that they lived at 20 Woodlands Road, Cleadon Village which, according to Genuki, was in Whitburn Parish.
The electoral registers 1920-1930 confirm that Arnold and Annie were at that address from at least 1928.

Whitburn is included in the South Shields Registration District
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/south%20shields.html
so you would need to check the GRO index on Free BMD for births 1914-1939 surname BLAIR , mother's maiden name HALL.

And that search only brings up 2 results, for Arnold 1914 and Annie 1915, in the South Shields District.
You didn't say where the info about 'Nancy' being a third child came from. As others have said Nancy was/is often used for Annie and, in the absence of any registration for a Nancy Blair, mmn Hall, anywhere in England & Wales its reasonable to conclude that Annie/Nancy are one and the same.

IF Arnold Watt Blair was a merchant seaman (which looks quite likely), there is a CR10 Identity Certificate for him in the Merchant Navy Records on FindMyPast which has a photo.

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Re: Children of Annie Hall and Arnold Blair
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 October 20 16:56 BST (UK) »
There may possibly only have been 2 children of Arnold and Annie, Gladys first husband, Elvin Newton Cluderay died in WW2 aged 22. Their youngest child is my grandpa. On freebmd it shows as Arnold Blair to Gladys Cluderay in 1951. They had a son who is still alive.