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Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« on: Wednesday 07 October 20 19:27 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Could you please date this photo?

I believe this may be my 4 x Great Grandfather born in Hambleton, Selby in 1894

He passed away aged 49 in December 1853, due to the dates I have doubts as to whether this may be him as he was not a wealthy man so may be possible that he could not afford a photo portrait. Also it shows on the photo it was taken in Harrogate and not the Selby area.

I'm hoping that by dating the photo I may have an idea as to whether this may be him?

I'd also be happy with any restoration to make the image clearer

Thank you
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Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 October 20 23:07 BST (UK) »
I think is 1880s, but Jim will have a better idea, it's always a good idea to post the whole photo including the back as it holds Dating info. For restoration purposes, a scan of a resolution at 300dpi if possible, will give the best result.
Carol
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Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 October 20 01:28 BST (UK) »
I assume 1894 should read 1804. You need to look for someone a generation or so later. I agree with Carol about the date, perhaps late 1880s into the early 1890s. W Davey was in Harrogate from 1886 into the 1900s when he changed the business name to Walter Davey & Son.

Here's my go at a restore.
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Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 October 20 01:43 BST (UK) »
Or a little bit smoother and lighter skin if you prefer.
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
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Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 October 20 10:30 BST (UK) »
It looks like there is writing on the back of the photo. His beard is known as a Newgate Frill.
Carol
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Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 October 20 10:59 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Treetotal on Thursday 08 October 20 10:30 BST (UK)
It looks like there is writing on the back of the photo. His beard is known as a Newgate Frill.
Carol

Looks like Chris Snead or something like that!
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Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 October 20 12:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Gadget, I too reversed the image of the signature and tried to make it as clear as possible but when I came to post it I found that you had beaten me to it. My result was the same as yours,  ???
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Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 October 20 12:45 BST (UK) »
Pat - I've been trying to work out how it got there as I assume it has a card backing. It could be someone pressing very hard or maybe written on the front/accidentally transferred  to the print  :-\

There's also a curve to the right of CHRIS,

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Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 October 20 12:51 BST (UK) »
You don’t think it could say CHRIS(MAS) CHEER ?

Just a thought  ;)
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