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Annandale
« on: Thursday 15 October 20 11:15 BST (UK) »
I am new to the site and am just saying Hello to all other users. I used the site a long time ago but have not done any research for a while.
 can anyone  out there give me info on where I might look for info on My gt4 or 5th grandfather  DAVID SCOTT  He was born in AMANDALE, Scotland in 1806.  His father was JOHN SCOTT who is listed as Gentleman. David was married in Liverpool in 1837 and on census  his is down as Joiner + smallware dealer.

What I would like to know is where is Amandale and where am I likely to find baptism records etc
I have some records from 1837  but would like to find out about his life before then.
Can any one through some light on this for me please. I would be glad of any help.  Regards,  Barb

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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 October 20 13:04 BST (UK) »
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I am new to the site and am just saying Hello to all other users. I used the site a long time ago but have not done any research for a while.
According to your profile you've been a member since 2011 but perhaps you've forgotten an earlier Scott post-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812685.msg6731896#msg6731896

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What I would like to know is where is Amandale and where am I likely to find baptism records etc
Don't you mean Annandale in Dumfriesshire? (which you gave as David's birthplace on the earlier topic)
I have a family member David SCOTT born 1806 .The birth place I have is Annandale Dumfies and Galloway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annandale

From the stickied posts at the top of the Dumfriesshire board-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8864.0
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 October 20 13:12 BST (UK) »
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Re: Just to say Hello
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 October 20 13:49 BST (UK) »
Welcome back to rootschat.

You might get more interest if you change title to include your ancestors name .and maybe ask admin to move post to a locality board when you know where Amme dale/Arnnandale is .
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Re: Annandale
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 October 20 09:52 BST (UK) »
Hello, Thank you for your replies. I had forgotten that I had registered with the group. I am sorry for the mistakes and duplicating messages from the past. The reasons for that is my computer crashed and had to get a new one. I lost all I had on it and it was only when I was going through old college papers that I found some family history stuff.
I am glad that I seem to have the spelling sorted out  as I have a couple of different ones. It would be nice to get information on David. I have nothing official so the bit that I do have is really hit and miss. from a print of the census of 1861 in Nestor Terrace, Bootle, Liverpool. the spelling on that on is correct and as long as the age is also correct he was born in 1806... I also have a note that says  born Amandale  1806, Father John Scott, Gentleman.

can you advise me where I might find any records or information to help me with my research please?
Once again I apologise for my stupid mistakes and put it down to old age and medication making me go daft

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Re: Annandale
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 October 20 14:36 BST (UK) »
can you advise me where I might find any records or information to help me with my research please?
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is the best source.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Annandale
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 October 20 14:43 BST (UK) »
What is the source of the information you have on the location of birth, or baptism, of your 4/5x gt grandfather Davis Scott? You state you have a "note" stating he was born in "Amandale 1806, father John Scott, Gentleman". What is the nature of this note please?

Annandale is in Dumfriesshire and exists today. There is the Annandale and Eskdale Estate which has Earl Annandale and Hartfell, Lord Johnstone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Annandale_and_Hartfell

There are some records which indicate a link between the Scott name and the Duke of Buccleuch.

https://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrasregister/browse2.aspx?reference=NRAS1&

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annandale

Have you tried to find a baptism for him?

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Re: Annandale
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 October 20 14:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you for that. I am not on that but I will sort it and look but I have tried so much today that my eyes wont stay open. I think I might be trying to do to much as once as I am working on my Simpson/Smiths in London 1870 /1890's . I think I need to give it a rest for a couple of hours and then try Scotland's People. At least I know the correct name and place to look now
once again thank you for replying  Barbara

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Re: Annandale
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 October 20 15:10 BST (UK) »
I agree that the birthplace in the 1861 census says Amandale but I assume this to be an enumerator's misreading of Annandale. Armadale is possible, as suggested, but that would require the enumerator to have made two errors.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000269 is a map showing Annandale.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400173 and https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400175 show the parishes in and near Annandale, so you are looking for a baptism in one of those parishes.

His age in 1861 is listed at 55, which, if it is accurate, implies that he was born between 8 April 1805 and 7 April 1806. This is consistent with the 1851 census, which says he was 45, the 1871, which says 65, and the 1881, which says 75.

However the 1841 says he was 34. If accurate this would give a birth date between 8 June 1806 and 7 June 1807. As these dates don't overlap with the 1851, either the 1841 age is wrong or the 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881 are all wrong.

Did his father's name come from his marriage certificate?

Unfortunately there is no readily available record of the baptism of a son David to a father named John Scott anywhere in Dumfries-shire between 1800 and 1810. So either there never was a record of the baptism, or the record has not survived, or there is a small possibility that he was baptised in a denominations whose surviving registers are not among those digitised by Scotland's People, for example the records of the Scottish Episcopal Church. Their surviving records are still in the churches, or in diocesan, local or university archives, and it takes a bit of sleuthing to find them.

As David's father was a 'gentleman', it would be worth looking though the wills and testaments on the Scotland's People web site.

To see if John Scott owned land, it would be necessary to consult the Register of Sasines, but that requires a visit to the National Records of Scotland, which is currently closed because of Covid-19 and unlikely to reopen before March 2021.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.