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Offline Romilly

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Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« on: Friday 23 October 20 14:11 BST (UK) »


There is a Baptism for:

 James William Wilson at St George in Hulme, 1860,  Mother Fanny Wilson, spinster, abode Openshaw.

I can't find them on the Census, - can anyone on here see them please?

Cheers, Romilly.
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Re: Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 October 20 14:36 BST (UK) »
Sadly, there is a burial for John William Wilson, 8 months on 3rd August 1861.
Mother Fanny, 27 Hargreaves Street.
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Re: Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 October 20 14:44 BST (UK) »
Based on the death that Heywood found - 1861??  Living at 36, Sidmouth Street, Salford

Francis   Dawes   34   Tailor   Market Drayton, Shropshire
Mary Ann   Dawes   30   Manchester, Lancashire
Elizabeth   Dawes   9Scholar   Manchester, Lancashire
John Francis   Dawes   7
John William   Wilson   Boarder   0      Salford, Lancashire, England

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Re: Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 October 20 14:58 BST (UK) »

Many thanks both, for looking.

That’s sad that he died so young, but perhaps his mother didn’t have any choice but to board him out?

Romilly.
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Re: Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 October 20 15:25 BST (UK) »
1861 27 Hargreaves Street Hulme has a Wilson family but no Fanny
RG09 pce 2897 fol  61 p7

Daniel   Wilson   Head   Married   Male   51   1810   Waterman   Warwickshire
Sarah   Wilson   Wife   Married   Female   45   1816   -   Cheshire
John   Wilson   Son   -   Male   16   1845   Waterboy   Burton on Trent, Staffordshire
Samuel   Wilson   Son   -   Male   14   1847   Waterboy   Burton on Trent, Staffordshire
Mary   Wilson   Daughter   -   Female   9   1852   Scholar   Wharton, Cheshire
Peter   Wilson   Son   -   Male   6   1855   Scholar   Manchester, Lancashire

ADDED: in 1851 HO107; Piece: 2221; Folio: 199; Page: 27 this family do have a Fanny aged 15 at 7 Rae Street Hulme
Daniel Wilson   46
Sarah Wilson   35
Fanny Wilson   15
Thomas Wilson   13
Daniel Wilson   11
Sarah Wilson   9
John Wilson   6
Samuel Wilson   4
William Wilson   3
James Wilson   11/12
James Wood   43
Phebe Wood   34
George Wood   8
Thomas Wood   6
James Wood   3

Looks like Fanny married in 1866
Name:   Fanny Wilson
Marriage Date:   1866
Marriage Place:   Ashton Under Lyne
Father:   Daniel Wilson
Spouse:   Seth Pogson

Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 October 20 15:31 BST (UK) »
Hulme was a pretty grim place at that time so infancy deaths were sadly very common.

A lot of my Wife’s direct ancestors lived there.

For an idea on what life was like there is a pretty good vlogumentary on the area just to the North East of Hulme that was called Little Ireland.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wnK9mQjAkbE

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Re: Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 October 20 15:35 BST (UK) »
BUT we appear to have two children -

Romilly states JAMES William Wilson, baptised in 1860 (I cannot readily find his baptism from the images available on Ancestry - but that might just be me!) the son of Fanny Wilson of Openshaw.

Heywood gives his name as JOHN William Wilson in the burial 3 August 1861 (image is available on Ancestry) and he is said to be 8 months old, the son of Fanny Wilson and an address of 27 Hargreaves Street.
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Re: Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 October 20 15:39 BST (UK) »
and this my be Fanny in 1861 RG 9; Piece: 2940; Folio: 62; Page: 25 43 Liverpool Row
James Gerrard   35
Hannah Gerrard   21
Elisabeth Gerrard   11
Thomas Gerrard   5
Joseph Gerrard   59
Charles Wilmot   19
Fanny Wilson   24 serv b Latchford

ADDED: Lancs OPC has
Baptism: 9 Apr 1858 St George, Hulme, Lancashire, England
Emma Wilson - [Child] of Fanny Wilson, Spinster
    Born: 17 Mar 1858
    Abode: 3 Belgrave St. Hulme
    Baptised by: W. Whitelegge
    Register: Baptisms 1853 - 1862, Page 241
 
Baptism: 9 Jul 1861 St George, Hulme, Lancashire, England
John William Wilson - [Child] of Fanny Wilson, Spinster
    Abode: Openshaw
    Baptised by: W. Whitelegge
    Register: Baptisms 1853 - 1862, Page 427

May not be same Fannys...

with may be
Death WILSON, EMMA       0 
GRO Reference: 1858  J Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 239
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Hulme Baptism, 1860, - Can't find them on the Census.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 October 20 15:44 BST (UK) »
Many thanks all for looking.

BumbleB, I think the mistake was mine, - Ancestry say John William Wilson. I was looking for variants of William James/James William Wilson, born Manchester 1860/‘61...

I’ve been trying to find him for 40+ years now:-(
William James Wilson (1860 - 1937) Born Manchester, was my paternal Grandfather.

I give up every now and again, - but was just checking to see if anything new had come up.

Romilly.
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Wilson, Warren, Dulston, Hooper, Duffin, Petty, Rees, Davies, Williams, Newman, Dyer, Hamilton, Edmeads, Pattenden.
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