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Offline MellowDee

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I'm stuck, help please!
« on: Tuesday 27 October 20 15:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi there, Lovely to meet you all and TIA for reading:
I've been researching my paternal great-grandmother's side, and I'm just totally stuck on finding any trace of her parents. currently using findmypast.
so my great grandmother's name is Maud Shepherd, b. 1895, Hull, on her online birth record her mother's maiden name is Fairfax. (no other info available on it.) I can find no trace of where she lived or any other details of her parents at this time,
 
I found a really interesting marriage record to my great grandfather, Charles Hargraves in 1914 - all the details on this record match him and his family, though at this time Maud's Surname is Turnbull and is a spinster (already at 19!) and names her father as deceased as Ernest turnbull. interestingly, both charles and maud at this time live at the same address according to this certificate, but I don't know how to verify this.

I can find no records to Maud marrying anyone named Turnbull, nor managed to find a potential match to Ernest turnbull being step-father. (it has crossed my mind she was telling porkies, but I'm trying to stick to the fact that i'm just being a very inexperienced researcher!)
 
The only time i have ever found Maud on a census is the 1939 one, and it was through a search of a street name my dad gave me that i struck upon it yesterday - and charles and Maud's names were transcribed wrong (charles was 'clark' and Maud was 'Karl'!! ) all the details on this record matched the children who were living with them at this time, and also Charles' occupation.

Is this a dead end for finding Maud's parents or not? i think the only other step I haven't taken yet is actually buying a birth certificate to see what other info is on it, but I'm just concerned i will find nothing new and it would be a waste of money. would be interested on knowing if it was worth ordering one?

Thanks for reading!

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Re: I'm stuck, help please!
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 October 20 15:49 GMT (UK) »
Hello, and welcome to Rootschat!

SHEPHERD, MAUD       FAIRFAX 
GRO Reference: 1895  S Quarter in HULL  Volume 09D  Page 306

So this is the birth ref you have found.

How do you know that this is 'your' Maud?  What evidence do you have, if you've not found her elsewhere?
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 October 20 15:54 GMT (UK) »
and the marriage ref you mention (you've got the certificate, have you?) is

Name:   Maud Turnbull
Spouse:   Hargraves
Reg Year:   1914
RQuarter:   Jan-Feb-Mar
Reg District:   Hull

County:   Yorkshire East Riding
Vol:   9d
Pg:   445

On the same page Charles Hargraves
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 October 20 15:59 GMT (UK) »
All the children found on the 1939 register have the mothers maiden name of Shepherd.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 October 20 16:01 GMT (UK) »
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though at this time Maud's Surname is Turnbull and is a spinster (already at 19!) and names her father as deceased as Ernest turnbull.

Do you mean already a widow at 19?  It wouldn't be unusual to be a spinster at 19!

What date of birth did she have on the register so we can look for her as a child on census.

If the birth found is correct you can look for a marriage/census for her parents.

Also if they had children you can check their birth registrations to see what maiden name she was using, that would be a big help.
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 October 20 16:04 GMT (UK) »
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though at this time Maud's Surname is Turnbull and is a spinster (already at 19!) and names her father as deceased as Ernest turnbull.

What date of birth did she have on the register so we can look for her as a child on census.



27 Jun 1895

The Hargraves had twins in 1920 (and a late baby in 1930) amongst other kids.
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 October 20 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Two things, if it helps

Firstly, it's often seen on marriage certs that the address for both bride and groom is the same.

Secondly, I think it would be worthwhile getting the birth certificate of Maud Shepherd as it would give  both mother and father's names and address at birth, which might help.

One possible scenario is that Maud's mother remarried (or lived with) a Mr Turnbull and Maud used his name on her marriage, but later found/was given her birth certificate and used the Shepherd surname for her childrens' births

Yes, please, can you just indicate geographical area/dob for 1939 so we can find her there
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 October 20 16:08 GMT (UK) »

Yes, please, can you just indicate geographical area/dob for 1939 so we can find her there

The Hargraves are in Kingston-Upon-Hull C.B,they are badly mistranscribed as Clark and Karl  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 October 20 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Also, close to Hull in Sculcoates, there's this birth:

SHEPHERD, JOHN  ERNEST     FAIRFAX 
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in SCULCOATES  Volume 09D  Page 171
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex