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Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« on: Thursday 29 October 20 04:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello

In 2015 and 2017 this forum was kind enough to help with ideas for finding the parents of Patrick Dyer / Dwyer b1855 Ireland d 1924 Manchester (Calico Printer) and Maria Colagan / Colgain b c1854 Roscommon Ireland, D (guess 1900)

They had at least 6 children that I know of, listed below. I have been unable to trace the family in 1891 and 1901 and wonder if you can help find them. Information i know is as follows, and thanks for your help.

1, Bridget 1872 - ? illegitimate daughter of Maria Colgain (spelling per birth record) born Stokestown, Ireland. Included in 1881 census with parents and siblings Alfred and Lilly A. Surname spelt Dwyer. Looks like Bridget has taken surname name of children of Maria. No other information can be found on her

2, Elizabeth Mary b1874 Scarborough d1949 Manchester. she is NOT on the 1881 census with the rest of the family despite being only 7 at the time which is odd. Linked to the family from the 1911 census when widow Patrick and youngest child Violet are living with, now married, Elizabeth Cohen and family. (birthplace included on 1901 census) No marriage found, and no 1881 or 1891 censes info

3, Alfred b1877 manchester. Apart from on the 1881 census mentioned above (1) no further info on him found. There is record of a Geo Dyer and Alf Dyre leaving Liverpool to Canada 4 Jun 1892, but i have not been able to tie in George Herbert Dyre 1875 to my family (i intend to get the birth certificate to see if he is connected)

4, Lilly Angus b1879. Shown on the 1881 census mentioned above (1) as born Liverpool. no trace of her on any 1891 census, then she is Married on the 1901 census to William Pool but birth place shown as Manchester and name now spelt Lily A not Lilly Angus

5, Albertina (my direct relative) B1884 d (guess) 1900 from the manchester alcohol poisoning per family stories. Can not find her on the 1891 or 1901 census's. She Marries Arthur Gibson 1903.

6 & 7, too girls names Violet Rose. 6, 1887 - 1889. 7, 1895 - 1945. again no trace of Violet on the 1901 census, but in 1911 living with father and older sister Elizabeths family.

any help as to the missing years much appreciated, thanks

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Re: Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 October 20 06:30 GMT (UK) »
Patrick Dyer married Maria Colagan 1876

New GRO index
Elizabeth Mary reg 1874 Scarboro has mother maiden name Creighton so she is not yours.

There is Elizabeth Callagan reg 1874 Manchester (1911) illegitimate - more likely as birth date pretty consistent with 1874
another possibility is Elizabeth Ann Calligan reg 1876 Chorlton illegitimate

Notes
Lizzie Dyer married Hymen Cohen  1894

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Other children
Alfred Dyer 1877 reg. Manchester mmn Colligan
Lily Agnes Dyer 1879 reg. Manchester mmn Calligan
Albertina Dwyer 1884 reg. Chorlton  mmn Callaghan
Violet Dwyer 1887 reg. Chorlton  mmn Callagan died 1889 age 1 reg. Chorlton
*Violet Rose Dyer 1895 reg. Chorlton mmn Callaghan


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Re: Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 October 20 06:49 GMT (UK) »
Lillie Agnes Dyer married William Poole (Iron Moulder) 8 July 1899  St. Luke's Chorlton Medlock both single both age 21 address for both 5 Thomas Street
Her father Patrick Dyer - Calico Printer
His father William Poole - Pattern Maker

Witness William Faulkner and Mary Hyslop


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Re: Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 October 20 06:58 GMT (UK) »
Albertina Dyer age 22 confectioner of 12 Birch Street married Arthur Gibson age 21 bricklayer of 15 Vale Street on 31 October 1903 St. Gabriel, Holme.
Her father Patrick Dyer, printer
His father John Gibson deceased

Witness Patrick Dyer, Emma Holmes


Albertina made her mark all others signed.

There is an Albertina Gibson buried Greater Manchester Cemetery section s # 3280
age 68. Buried 2 July 1953.
She left a will re probate she died 27 June 1953 widow of 52 Gorse Avenue, admin to Fred Gibson, Plumber

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Re: Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 October 20 06:59 GMT (UK) »
1901 census the family is Chorlton
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9VJ-JKY

Patrick and daughter Violet are still there in 1911 living with Elizabeth and family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBF-8L7

Possibly Maria's death
DYER, MARIA       age 45 
GRO Reference: 1904  M Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 557
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 October 20 08:04 GMT (UK) »
What is the reference for 1901 I cannot see it on ancestry

Never mind I found it. transcribed as Eyer on ancestry

11 Yeovil Street, Ardwick South Manchester

Patrick Dyer 46 Rubber printer born Ireland
Maria 45  born Ireland
Albertina 16  born Manchester rubber worker
Violet 5  born Manchester
Clara Dyer 25  sister born Ireland

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Re: Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 October 20 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Lancs OPC
St Aloysius Ardwick

Alfridus born 15 September 1877 baptized same day parents Patrick Dyer and Marie formerly Collagan

Lilia Agnes born 20 May 1879 bap 12 October 1879 same parents mother formerly Gallagher

Blanca born 26 June 1892 bap 14 August 1892 parents same mother formerly Colligan

Not sure about this one
St Brigid Bradford Lancashire
Albertus Dyer born 26 July 1882 father Patrick Dyer mother Marie formerly Callaghan


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Re: Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 29 October 20 16:56 GMT (UK) »
This is all amazing stuff - i will have a look at it all a little later on - thank ouyu for your time! it is so really appreciated.

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Re: Where did the Dyer/ Dwyer children go?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 31 October 20 07:30 GMT (UK) »
Looked on GRO index

Albert Edward Dyer reg. Prestwich 1882 mmn Calighan -- death reg. Chorlton 1883 age 0
 (so Albertus could be your family if they moved to Bradford for awhile)

Florence Rose Dyer reg. 1890 Chorlton  mmn Calligan--  death reg. Chorlton buried 1895 age 4

Blanche reg. 1892 Chorlton  mmn Calligan -- death reg. Chorlton 1900 age 8

It would help if we could find them in 1891