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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 09:25 GMT (UK) »
Have you found Mary Ann in a census after her marriage?

Is the mother the Mary Carberry who died in Glasgow Calton in 1891 aged 79? If so it might be worth checking the Glasgow Poor Law records because if she applied to the Parochial Board they would probably have recorded her parish of birth.

Helen is not the Ellen Carberry or Crombie who died in Port Glasgow in 1927 aged 83, because that one is in the 1881 and 1891 censuses with husband and children, and in 1901 as a widow with children.
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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Some ideas to consider...

Was husband/ father a James Carbery? Mother Mary Vance? Forfarian, the death you mention in Calton in 1891 has Mary as Carberry/Vance.

Some researchers show this death for James:

James CARBERRY
Age 68
Mother's maiden name GUNN
1880
644/11 262
Hutchesontown

Just in case you get lucky with this, a possible 1855 birth cert to look at in Scotland. I am wondering if they had Mary here and the rest in Ireland?

1855 birth certs, for one year only, include where parents were from (including other useful info). Often this can be the only possible source to find out where parents came from back in Ireland. Place and date of marriage is also normally included which again can provide further clues.

Mary Carborough
Parents James Carborough and Mary Vance
13 Mar 1855 Calton, Glasgow
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQWC-JYM

Her RC baptism is on SP:

Mary CARBENY
JAMES CARBENY/MARY NANCE
Birth 12/3/1855
Chr 16/3/1855
Glasgow, St Andrew's

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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 19:47 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone, sorry had a busy day and haven't had a chance to check everything else. I'll get back to you all soon. Thank you for taking time to reply and have a look at this. Bear with me.
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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 19:49 GMT (UK) »
The family in 1871:

James Carboy 58 b. Ireland
Mary Carboy 52 b. Ireland
Ellen Carboy 26 b. Ireland
John Carboy 24 b. Ireland
Mary Carboy 15 b. Glasgow
Mary Ann Mccan 6 grandchild b. Glasgow

Address: 125 Saltmarket, Glasgow/ Calton

1861:

Mary Carby 46 b. Ireland
Sarah Carby 22 b. Ireland
Ellen Carby 17 b. Ireland
John Carby 2 grandson b. Glasgow
.....where is Mary born 1855 I wonder?

Address: 32 New St, Glasgow/ Calton

Hopefully the 1855 birth cert for Mary sheds more light here...

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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 20:06 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann may have been Ellen's daughter www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQWC-24D

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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone for taking time to respond. I should've included more information in my first post.

Have you found Mary Ann in a census after her marriage?

I have found Mary Ann's death cert. Sadly she died on 8th October 1886 aged 22 at Rose Street, Hutchesontown, Glasgow. Appears to be something in connection with childbirth. Parents named as John McCue (Steamship Stoker) and Helen Carberry.

Mary Ann was born illegitimate; March 1865, daughter of Helen Carbray, informant was Mary Carbray, grandmother.

Mary Ann married John Shanley, June 1885 at St Francis Chapel, Cumberland Street, Glasgow.

John Shanley and Mary Ann McCue had one child named Helen Shanley, born 22nd Sept 1886 at Hutchesontown.

Is the mother the Mary Carberry who died in Glasgow Calton in 1891 aged 79?

Mary Ann is incorrectly named as Mary Carberry's (aged 69) daughter in 1881. Helen Carberry aged 35 (1881) is Mary Ann's mother.

I have now got a copy of the death certificate of the Mary Carberry (79) who died 1891 at Calton, Glasgow. Parents were named as John Vance and Sarah McCormick. This Mary was the widow of James Carberry, Mason's labourer.
Informant was Ellen Carberry, signed with her mark.
I believe this is my Mary.


Mary Carborough
Parents James Carborough and Mary Vance
13 Mar 1855 Calton, Glasgow
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQWC-JYM


Got the birth certificate and I have included a snip. James Carborough/Carberry and Mary Vance were both born in Co. Fermanagh!

Thank you so much for this! I had never considered this spelling. My search parameters weren't wide enough to pick this up.

Now, the question is, where is this place in Fermanagh.

I had a quick search and Gaffy's suggestion of...

Could be the townland of Cornavray in the civil parish of Galloon, County Fermanagh:

... looks good.

I also found a place named Kinawley and wonder if this is also a possibility depending on interpretation by the enumerator?

Again, thank you so much to all of you for taking the time to help.












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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 21:20 GMT (UK) »
From another researcher, their note for Ellen's death is:

Death
10 Dec 1900 Dennistoun, Glasgow Calton, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Ellen died at the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow. Her usual residence was 15 Scrulliers Street? The informant was John Shanley (X) her son-in-law who was living at 88 Rose Street South


For Ellen's father:

Death
15 Mar 1880 Hutchesontown, Lanark, Scotland

James's age is given as 68, and his occupation as Iron Work Watchman. He died at 34 Rose Street, Glasgow. His father was Edward Carberry and his mother Betsy Gunn. The informant was his wife Mary (X).


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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 21:29 GMT (UK) »
This looks to be Ellen's death from that info above, although the age looks to be an error on the index:

ELLEN CARBERRY
Age 70
1900
644/3 2384
Dennistoun

Did she never marry? No additional surname showing for her.

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Re: Place of birth on 1881 census - Carberry
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 10 November 20 22:15 GMT (UK) »
There are three Carberry entries on the Griffith Valuations:

Carberry James              Cornavray                      Galloon     Fermanagh
Carberry Patrick            Kilmacbrack                    Galloon     Fermanagh
Carbery  Michael            Donagh                         Galloon     Fermanagh

www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/fermanagh/galloon.htm

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