Beginner looking for some help for my Fraser Ancestors

[Neale1961]

William Fraser (Junior) SCOTLAND
Hannah, The 1841 census was taken on Sunday 6 June. Here the age given for William, 16 months, is unusually specific for this census where ages are often vague due to rounding down. The absence of the father is not really anything to be concerned about. On a Sunday in summer, he may well have been either away for work, or at the pub.

The family in 1851 census is at 17 Malta St, Gorbals Lanarkshire:
•   William Frazer – head – 38 yrs – Mason – born Dundee, ANS
•   Janet Frazer – wife – 41 yrs – born Glenluce, WIG
•   Jessie Frazer – daughter – 13 yrs – born Portpatrick, WIG
•   William Frazer – son – 11 yrs – born Portpatrick, WIG
•   Alexander Frazer – son – 9 yrs – born Portpatrick, WIG
•   Archibald Frazer – son – 7 yrs – born Portpatrick, WIG
•   Isabella Frazer – daughter 5 – born Dundonald, AYR

It would appear that the daughter Helen (aged 5 in 1841 census, has either died by 1851, or has left home.)

Below are the birth/ baptism records for the children that I could find on SP.
Nothing found for Alexander.
EDIT Yes i did find Alexander 1842 PortPatrick.
here https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&event=%28B%20OR%20C%20OR%20S%29&record_type%5B0%5D=opr_births&church_type=Old%20Parish%20Registers&dl_cat=church&dl_rec=church-births-baptisms&surname=Frazer&surname_so=fuzzy&forename=Alexander&forename_so=fuzzy&from_year=1840&to_year=1843&parent_names=William&parent_names_so=exact&parent_name_two_so=exact&county=WIGTOWN&record=Church%20of%20Scotland%20%28old%20parish%20registers%29%20Roman%20Catholic%20Church%20Other%20churches

Jessie has a second name “Logan”. This is worth keeping in mind as it could be a surname from a previous generation; could be a grandmother- either mother of the father, or mother of the mother. Same thing for Alexander who has a second name “Kirkl....”?

Just a hint when searching on SP to use the search option “fuzzy matching” or “wild card” or name variants to pick up on different spellings

[Neale1961]

William Fraser (senior) SCOTLAND
To find the parents names for William Fraser (senior) and the parents for his wife Janet McDowall, you need to find their death certificates. If they died in Scotland after 1855, the record will give you very useful information about their parents.
Do you have them in the census in 1861, 1871? When is the last time you find them in the census, and where are they?

This a possible death for Janet (McDowall) Fraser. The age would certainly fit. But check it fits with when she was last seen in the census before purchasing the record.
MCDOWALL   JANET   67   
1874       646/3 598   Partick
Mothers Maiden name - BARFOOT   

There are about 4 possible deaths for William – 1866 Tradeston is perhaps the most likely, because Tradeston is where his son was married in 1864. However before taking a punt, find which looks like the best fit from the census records you have.

When you have these records, post ALL the information here, and let’s see what else we can find.

Cheers, Neale

[Neale1961]

It is possible that this is the birth record for Janet McDowall. Check that these are her parents from the death certificate.

MCDOWALL   JANET ADAIR    (FR205)   F   
14/07/1807   894/    10 196   Old Luce or Glenluce
Parents - ARCHIBALD MCDOWALL/ELIZABETH BROADFOOT FR205

Janet’s siblings: Andrew 1804 Glenluce, John 1805 Glenluce, Robert 1817 Inch.

The marriage of her parents:
MCDOWALL   ARCHIBALD   ELIZABETH BROADFOOT/FR363 (FR363)   
22/03/1803   894/    20 91   Old Luce or Glenluce

[Kiltaglassan]

Thomas 22.2.1909

I don’t see a Norman but perhaps that’s Thomas. Possibly he was Thomas Norman. Check the birth cert and see. I didn't see any further children after 1911.

Here's Norman's birth record - born 22nd February 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01627/1651485.pdf

From Belfast Telegraph 8th May 1923

FRASER – May 7, 1923, at her residence, 92 Montrose Street, Ellen Mary, the dearly-beloved wife of Walter G. Fraser, and eldest daughter of the late Alexander Frizzell, Portstewart. Her remains will be removed for interment in the City Cemetery on to-morrow (Wednesday), at 2-30 p.m. Friends will please accept this (the only) intimation.
Inserted by her sorrowing Husband and Family.

D/1923/58/1007/35/315     Ellen   Fraser    7th May 1923      51      Female   Belfast
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

KG

[HannahB92]

Thanks everyone for the information! i have spent last night and this morning researching to try and confirm the information given so far. I can confirm that it all matches up so far!

William Fraser (senior) SCOTLAND
To find the parents names for William Fraser (senior) and the parents for his wife Janet McDowall, you need to find their death certificates. If they died in Scotland after 1855, the record will give you very useful information about their parents.
Do you have them in the census in 1861, 1871? When is the last time you find them in the census, and where are they?

This a possible death for Janet (McDowall) Fraser. The age would certainly fit. But check it fits with when she was last seen in the census before purchasing the record.
MCDOWALL   JANET   67   
1874       646/3 598   Partick
Mothers Maiden name - BARFOOT   

There are about 4 possible deaths for William – 1866 Tradeston is perhaps the most likely, because Tradeston is where his son was married in 1864. However before taking a punt, find which looks like the best fit from the census records you have.

When you have these records, post ALL the information here, and let’s see what else we can find.

Cheers, Neale

I do have Janet in the 1871 census living with her daughter Isabella living in Glenluce and then i have nothing after that. The death record in 1874 is hers. I was the able to check for a birth record which confirms her parents were Archibald McDowall and Elizabeth Broadfoot.

I didn't realise to use the fuzzy match option on SP so this has been super helpful!

William Fraser (Junior) SCOTLAND
Hannah, The 1841 census was taken on Sunday 6 June. Here the age given for William, 16 months, is unusually specific for this census where ages are often vague due to rounding down. The absence of the father is not really anything to be concerned about. On a Sunday in summer, he may well have been either away for work, or at the pub.

The family in 1851 census is at 17 Malta St, Gorbals Lanarkshire:
•   William Frazer – head – 38 yrs – Mason – born Dundee, ANS
•   Janet Frazer – wife – 41 yrs – born Glenluce, WIG
•   Jessie Frazer – daughter – 13 yrs – born Portpatrick, WIG
•   William Frazer – son – 11 yrs – born Portpatrick, WIG
•   Alexander Frazer – son – 9 yrs – born Portpatrick, WIG
•   Archibald Frazer – son – 7 yrs – born Portpatrick, WIG
•   Isabella Frazer – daughter 5 – born Dundonald, AYR

It would appear that the daughter Helen (aged 5 in 1841 census, has either died by 1851, or has left home.)

Below are the birth/ baptism records for the children that I could find on SP.
Nothing found for Alexander.
EDIT Yes i did find Alexander 1842 PortPatrick.
here https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&event=%28B%20OR%20C%20OR%20S%29&record_type%5B0%5D=opr_births&church_type=Old%20Parish%20Registers&dl_cat=church&dl_rec=church-births-baptisms&surname=Frazer&surname_so=fuzzy&forename=Alexander&forename_so=fuzzy&from_year=1840&to_year=1843&parent_names=William&parent_names_so=exact&parent_name_two_so=exact&county=WIGTOWN&record=Church%20of%20Scotland%20%28old%20parish%20registers%29%20Roman%20Catholic%20Church%20Other%20churches

Jessie has a second name “Logan”. This is worth keeping in mind as it could be a surname from a previous generation; could be a grandmother- either mother of the father, or mother of the mother. Same thing for Alexander who has a second name “Kirkl....”?

Just a hint when searching on SP to use the search option “fuzzy matching” or “wild card” or name variants to pick up on different spellings

I have been unable to find Helen Fraser in any other records so i am now going to try and find a death record for her.

Thanks everyone for the info so far, this helps me try and find the right ones so thank you all!

I did find a possible father for William Fraser (1815-1866). He was Alexander Fraser and his wife was Helen Kirkland. I feel this must be correct as William named his son Alexander Kirkland Fraser! I also found a marriage transcript from the parish register for Alexr Frazer and Helen Kirk in 1811 in Dundee so i am hoping this will be the correct parents for William but will know for sure when i can find his birth record with his parents name on.

[Neale1961]

I did find a possible father for William Fraser (1815-1866). He was Alexander Fraser and his wife was Helen Kirkland. I feel this must be correct as William named his son Alexander Kirkland Fraser! I also found a marriage transcript from the parish register for Alexr Frazer and Helen Kirk in 1811 in Dundee so i am hoping this will be the correct parents for William but will know for sure when i can find his birth record with his parents name on.

It sounds like you are on the right track. A birth / baptism record for William may not be found - perhaps lost, or never made. You will know for sure about his parents from his death record- do you have it?

[HannahB92]

So after a few hours of research i finally confirmed William's death record which was in Tradeston in November 1866. His parents listed as Alexander Fraser and Helen Fraser nee Kirkland. Wahoo! Feel like i am getting somewhere now. So the marriage transcript i found must be the correct one but i can only find the names and the date, i can't find a digital copy of it anywhere. Going to try and find their death transcripts as hopefully their parents names will be on there and i can go from there as i do not yet know Alexander or Helen's birth dates.

[Neale1961]

You can purchase a digital copy of the 1811 Alex Frazer - Helen Kirk marriage from Scotlands People.

Unless they died after 1855 when registration commenced in Scotland, you will not get much from any burial record, except perhaps their approx. age and a parish name. Very often however, burial records were not made.

From the date of the marriage you can speculate that they were born about 1775 - 1790. You should see if you can find them in the 1841 or 1851 census.

[HannahB92]

I couldn't find the digital copy on Scotlands People, kept saying not found even with the fuzzy matching and wild card so don't know if i am doing something wrong but i did get other records from there.

I haven't found them as of yet in the 1841 or 1851 census