James Smith and Mary Ann Hall

[wivenhoe]

Using Ancestry passengers Victoria -

"Confiance"  departed Liverpool  arrived 12 Apr 1853  Geelong and Victorian ports

SMITH James   ag labourer  30y  Northamptonshire
SMITH Mary A                     27y
SMITH Maria
SMITH Henry
SMITH Alexander
SMITH James

All native place Northampton
By whom employed:  own account
Where:                     Geelong


BDM VIC births
1610/1855  SMITH  James  parents Mary Ann HALL /  James
@  ASHBY


13354/1859 SMITH Mary Jane parents Mary Anne HALL /  Jas
@  GASSY GULL


BDM VIC deaths
3391/1855 SMITH James parents Mary Ann HALL / James
@   GEEL  age 5 Months

3475/1855  SMITH William  parents Mary Ann HALL / James
@   WARW   age 3

8223/1859  SMITH Frances parents  Mary Anne HALL / James
@  NOR   age 7

8224/1859  SMITH Mary Jane parents Mary Anne HALL /  James
@  MOU   age 16 months

[Dundee]

Hi I think I have made an error with the marriage details for the JAMES SMITH and MARY ANN HALL.  The couple with the parents DANIEL and SAMUEL were actually married in Norfolk.  James was a Butcher, residence All Saints (where??) The date could be 1842 as well!  I should have double checked I guess.  So not sure where the couple I'm researching were married. 

This is the marriage in Norwich:

Marriages Dec 1843

HALL, Mary Ann        
SMITH, James
Norwich    13   637   

This is the marriage you need:

Marriages Dec 1843

HALL, Mary Ann       
SMITH, James
Daventry    15   526   

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Debra   

     

[haney]

Hi Debra Thanks very much for that.  At least that's sorted out now.  If I find the actual marriage certificate it should say at least the Fathers names for the bride and groom shouldn't it.  That will help.  Much appreciated.  Kind regards Dianna

[haney]

Hi On further investigation for the death notice

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/108835035?
 
It is very possible that this is My JAMES SMITH. The Mrs BULLIVAN is actually FRANCES BULLIMAN!  She was married to Frederick BULLIMAN in Staverton 1841.  Frances died in 1896 NSW (born 1820) in the Newington Asylum Granville. 


Her death in the NSW BDM was spelt BULLEMAN father HENRY mother unknown.  So what I may do now is order that particular JAMES' death certificate and see what it say's. Hopefully the kids will be mentioned by name!!  Will follow up on MARY ANN HALL born in Braunston as well. 

 It's such a shame that there are the missing parents on the marriages of JANE (FURNER) and EMMA (WATSON).  A HENRY SMITH was a witness to Emma's marriage though. 

At least with everyone's help the family is coming together.  I noticed there was NO Eleanor/Ellen on the immigration record and there was an Alexander mentioned.  Anyway it is all looking good.  Many thanks Dianna

[wivenhoe]

From the two marriage certificates that you have, can you please.....list........all the information on each. All the information is important so please list every name, age, address, occupation......church, witnesses....everything please.

NSW BDM marriage
3694/1886 SMITH Jane  marr.  FURNER John      @   St Leonards

Is this your Emma SMITH?

VIC BDM marriage
945/1889  SMITH Emma Mary  marr. WATSON, Jas
1889

The birth certificate, 1867, Emma SMITH....what name do you see for the informant?

[haney]

EMMA SMITH marriage
02306
25 MAY 1889
THE RESIDENCE OF MR. HARDIE, LILYDAYLE STREET, MARRICKVILLE
PRIMITIVE METHODIST
GROOM:- ALEXANDER WATSON, BACHELOR, OCCUPATION BRICK CARTER, RESIDENCE MAY STREET ST. PETERS. (NSW) PARENTS NOT LISTED OCCUPATION OF FATHER NOT LISTED.

BRIDE:- EMMA SMITH SPINSTER, BIRTHPLACE NOT LISTED, OCCUPATION DOMESTIC SERVANT AGE NOT LISTED.  USUAL RESIDENCE SILVER STREET, MARRICKVILLE.
PARENTS NOT LISTED OCCUPATION OF FATHER NOT LISTED.

WITNESSES JAMES HARDIE, HENRY SMITH. MINISTER ELIZAS CROZIER.  I TRIED TO FIND THE RECORDS FROM THE ARCHIVES AND THEY SAID THEY DID NOT HAVE THEM.  OFTEN I HAVE FOUND THAT THE MINISTER HAD MORE INFORMATION ON HIS ORIGINAL RECORDS THAN WHAT WAS SENT TO REGISTRY OFFICE.

[haney]

For the birth of EMMA SMITH her mother MARY ANN is the informant.

Also I only did a "check and verify" for the marriage of JANE SMITH (FURNER).  I asked my transcription agent to check for parents only!! And unfortunately they were not mentioned.

What I have is JOHN FURNER/JANE SMITH married 15 May 1886 St. Stephen's Church North Willoughby (NSW) Church of England.  Minister D. MURPHY

[wivenhoe]

Ancestry passengers NSW assisted
"Beejapore"  arr. 11 Feb 1853
BULLIMAN Frederick   55y farm labourer  C of E  read and write
parents Thomas and Sarah, father deceased

BULLIMAN Frances     38y   C of E         read
parents Henry and Eleanor living at Staverton

BULLIMAN William        8y
BULLIMAN Rebecca      5y

Native place  for all  Staverton Northamptonshire. No relations in the colony

[haney]

3694/1886

FURNER

JOHN

SMITH

JANE

ST LEONARDS

They had a child George

FURNER GEORGE E11231/1896 JOHNJANEWATERLOO

 

George  married

6514/1924

FURNER

GEORGE E

EVANS

ETHEL K

ST PETE RS

In Memorium Notice for Emma

SMH 4 July 1928

WATSON. - In loving memory of our dear Aunty EMMA, who passed away July 4, 1927.  Inserted by her loving niece and nephew ETHEL and GEORGE FUNER.