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David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« on: Sunday 29 November 20 13:51 GMT (UK) »
Wondering if anyone can find David Walters and family on the 1851 census please? I’ve tried every spelling i can think of for Walters (Walter, Wallters, Watters) but nothing.

I have the family in Michaelston super Avan in 1861 (class RG9, piece 4082, folio 72, page 28) where David, born 1818 (43) in Carmarthen, widowed, is with his children John 13, Esther 10, Margaret 6 and David 4. I have everything on Esther (who is the person i’m researching for a friend) from then on. But i cannot find the family in 1851 to get more details on David’s wife.

Esther’s birth certificate is on order but i believe her mother was Margaret Stephens. There is a marriage of a David Walter and Margaret Stephens at Michaelston super Avan on 22 June 1844. Children Esther Walters (registered Dec quarter 1846, Neath, mother Stephens, died March quarter 1848), John Walters (June 1848, Neath, Stephens), Esther Walters (Sep 1850, Neath, Stephens). Later children were Margaret Walters (Mar 1854, Neath, Stephens) and David Walter (Jun 1856, Neath, Stephens). Possible death of Margaret, aged 40, Sept quarter 1860, Neath. No baptisms or burials found.

Given all this, i’m sure they would be in Michaelston super Avan in 1851, and even not including Margaret I can’t find David and children John and Esther. Any help much appreciated. Thanks.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 29 November 20 15:14 GMT (UK) »
#Hi  Looks like daughter Esther marrried and resided in Treherbert  have the details if you dont have them

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Re: David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 29 November 20 15:18 GMT (UK) »
#Hi  Looks like daughter Esther marrried and resided in Treherbert  have the details if you dont have them

Best wishes
Heddwch

Thanks Heddwch, i have everything on Esther (marriage, children, death and burial), but father not known after 1861, though a few possibles. Just really the 1851 i’m looking for to find out where Esther’s mother was born.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 29 November 20 18:37 GMT (UK) »
The 1844 marriage cert is on line at FindMyPast - but it's a bit of a mess. Margaret's father is John Stephens, labourer. Margaret's address begins "Pentre ....." but struggling to read the rest. A John Stephens was a witness.


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Re: David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 29 November 20 18:52 GMT (UK) »
The 1844 marriage cert is on line at FindMyPast - but it's a bit of a mess. Margaret's father is John Stephens, labourer. Margaret's address begins "Pentre ....." but struggling to read the rest. A John Stephens was a witness.

Thanks hanes teulu, i have that, and yes, very messy but at least managed both fathers names and occupations. The addresses are difficult as you say. 
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 29 November 20 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Looks something like "D..fan" for Margaret - still chasing.

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Re: David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 29 November 20 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Looks something like "D..fan" for Margaret - still chasing.

Thank you 🌺
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 November 20 22:15 GMT (UK) »
Looks something like "D..fan" for Margaret - still chasing.

Thank you 🌺

In 1861 the Walters are living in the village of Pontrhydyfen - might that be the address from the marriage?

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Re: David Walters and family, Michaelstone super Avon, 1851
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 November 20 22:24 GMT (UK) »
address for David looks like Pen Castell, Margam and there is this likely family in 1841

Pencastell farm, Margam HO107/1422/19 folio 7 pg 6
John Walter 50 labrer
Dosha 51
Johnnah 20 hallier
david 20 collier
Thomas 15 hallier
Elizabeth 13 independant
Sophia 11
all not born in county

1851 Pencastell Farm HO107/2462 folio 106 pg 5
John Walter head mar 66 labourer b. Carms, Mydrim
Theodosia wife 66 Carms, Llanboidy
Elizabeth dau 23 Carms, Llanfihangel Abercowin

son Thomas is next door, also born Llanfihangel Abercowin.

Burial in Michaelstone super Avon 24 April 1855 for Theodosia Walters 72 of Pen y Castell, Margam

https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/8dc6cdcc-57bf-4726-b10d-ef5266239138

Records at Ebenezer Baptist Church, Llangynog, for the births of these children to David & Theodosia Walter in Llanfihangel Abercowin
David born 5 Oct 1816 at Bontgoch
Thomas born 19 May 1820 at Rhidygoldsmith
Mary born 12 Aug 1824 at Rhidygoldsmith
Elizabeth born 12 Nov 1828 at Gate
Sophia born 7 Jan 1833 at Gate

https://www.coflein.gov.uk/en/site/6550/details/ebeneser-welsh-baptist-church-particularebenezer-ebenezer

Rhyd y Goldsmith on this map, just below Pwll y Grafel

https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/9566fa1b-4da8-43c5-880b-e4ba55cbc26e

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb