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Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #9 on: Monday 12 July 21 17:49 BST (UK) »
Fine.

I'm sorry you have had 'bad encounters' with Scotland's People.

It is impossible to build a reliable tree of a Scottish family without the original data from Scotland's People.
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Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 July 21 23:45 BST (UK) »
Hi.

Found this on Family Search.

Margret Sinclare
Sex   Female
Christening Date   2 Feb 1666
Christening Place   Thurso, Caithness, Scotland
Father's Name   John Sinclare

Father's Sex   Male

One of my William Gunns m. Ann Campbell in the west Indies d/o Ronald Campbell also in the Military. Ann was supposed to have been born 1771 #ANNE CAMPBELL (b. 1746 at Ayr, Ayr). Ann 2nd daughter of Ronald Campbell of Wick. Married in Barbados.
Ann Campbell was the 2nd daughter to Ronald Campbell who was also a military man. He is supposed to have been born in Wick. Any Help would be great.

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Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 July 21 09:12 BST (UK) »
Found this on Family Search.
Margret Sinclare
Sex   Female
Christening Date   2 Feb 1666
Christening Place   Thurso, Caithness, Scotland
Father's Name   John Sinclare
That's a transcription. The original can be viewed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. It may include additional information, for example the father's residence or occupation.
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Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 11:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Forfane.

Just wondering if there is a record re who the adulterer was, Donald Gunn or Margaret Sinclair. If it was Don did he have any children to his wife & who was she.

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Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 12:10 BST (UK) »
Just wondering if there is a record re who the adulterer was, Donald Gunn or Margaret Sinclair. If it was Don did he have any children to his wife & who was she.
Sorry, I have absolutely no idea.

If you are looking for information about the parents of an illegitimate child born in Thurso in the 17th century the place to look is in the Thurso Kirk Session records at https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/place-page/Thurso/GAZ01053/REX00441?search_token=65158799167fe3da32b7ef - to view this you'll have to register with Scotland's People if you have not already done so.

I repeat what I said in Reply #29 above: It is impossible to build a reliable tree of a Scottish family without the original data from Scotland's People.


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Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #14 on: Monday 21 April 25 13:28 BST (UK) »
#Margaret
Last name    #Sinclair
Sex    Female
Year    1692
Dates    Named: 3 Apr 1692.
Place    Thurso
Other person's first name    -
Other person's last name    Inkster
Other person's occupation    Miller
Other person's dates    Rebuked: 7 Feb 1692. Confessed: 3 Apr 1692.
Additional comments    Rebuked comments (party 1): Fugitive.
County    Caithness
Country    Scotland
Record set    Scotland, Antenuptial Relationship Index 1661-1780
Category    Churches & religion
Subcategory    Religious Ceremonies
Collections from    Great Britain, Scotland
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Margaret
Last name    Sinclair
Sex    Female
Year    1718
Dates    Rebuked: 16 Aug 1718.
Place    Thurso
Other person's first name    William
Other person's last name    Blackbourn
Other person's dates    Rebuked: 13 Aug 1718.
Additional comments    Fled together.
County    Caithness
Country    Scotland
Record set    Scotland, Antenuptial Relationship Index 1661-1780
Category    Churches & religion
Subcategory    Religious Ceremonies
Collections from    Great Britain, Scotland


In these cases of 'antenuptial fornication', it was the mother of the child who would be summoned first, they would be sternly rebuked and persuaded to name the father of the child if he was not an obvious boyfriend.

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Re: George Gunn Sinclair
« Reply #15 on: Monday 21 April 25 15:15 BST (UK) »
In these cases of 'antenuptial fornication', it was the mother of the child who would be summoned first, they would be sternly rebuked and persuaded to name the father of the child if he was not an obvious boyfriend.
Not quite.

I don't know who produced that index listing, but whoever it was was absolutely wrong to list it as 'index of Antenuptial Relationships' because many if not most of the relationships listed are not antenuptial; antenuptial specifically means 'before marriage', not 'outside marriage' or 'out of wedlock', and there is no shortage in the Kirk Session records of relationships between couples who never married one another at all.

'Antenuptial fornication' means 'fornication before the marriage' so by definition anyone summoned for that sin was actually married. They had anticipated the wedding ceremony, and that generally became apparent when the first child was on its way after a rather indecorously short interval thereafter. In the case of antenuptial fornication the couple, by now married, were usually summoned together and dealt with together. Occasionally it was only the husband who was summoned.

In the case of a couple who were still not married, you're perfectly correct. The unmarried woman would usually be summoned first and urged to name the father, and then they would take steps to summon the errant father and rebuke both parties at the same time. They didn't always succeed, of course, which is what makes reading the Kirk Session minutes so fascinating.

You can read the KS minutes on the Scotland's People web site; choose Virtual Volumes and then put in the name of the parish where the proceedings took place. Complicated cases might involve several appearances by one or both parties at different meetings of the KS.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.