Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?

[wivenhoe]

BDM VIC marriage
7500/1933 SHEPHERD Marj Emma  marr.  SIMMONS, Chas Wm


Death
21597/1986 SIMMONS Marjorie Emma  parents Ivy Emily MATTHEWS / SHEPHERD Claude Augustus
born Melbourne South  died Fitzroy age 72

17878/1987 SHEPHERD Raymond Walter  parents  Ivy Emily MATTHEWS / SHEPHERD Claude born born Melbourne South died Altona Meadows age 70

[sparrett]

The daughter of James Ralph MATTHEWS and Lillian TIFFEN was born in Broken Hill.

So that is the genetic  connection

MATTHEWS  Ivy L  (ivy Lillian)
8010/1894
Father JAMES R
Mother Lillian
At BROKEN HILL

Sue

Adding- She married in Victoria in 1919 to Jack Aleck IVORY (#2180) and died in 1927 at Moonee Ponds. Parents Jas Ralph MATTHEWS and Liln TIFFEN. (#11590)

[sparrett]

I am not able to find information on anyone known as George ROME, but I do see that James Ralph  MATTHEWS and wife Lillian were living in Tasmania in 1914.

This is the stated birthplace of the father of the child on the BC, George ROME

The MATTHEWS were at Ridgley and he was a railway employee while she performed domestic duties.

I think much of this is contained in the first thread which I attached previously.

Sue

[Peggle]

Thank you to everyone for all the work you're all putting into this mystery.

There are 4 cousins currently trying to understand the relevance of what you've all put forward.
2 of those are granddaughters of Walter Clem and Violet, children of James Ralph Matthews and Lillian Tiffen and the other 2 are granddaughters of Amy Ellen Rose Gleed.

Can you account for all the males and females of child bearing age  who are named on the dc for James who died Ascot Vale on 23 May 1922 .... see reply #87 on other thread  ...  so wondering if a daughter or daughter in law may have been Amy's mum, but was known informally as Alma ...

1922 Olive was 16 ... she was 11 going on 12 in Jan 1918 .... so start with Violet, then Nora Ellen, Ivy Lily, and then Natalie May ... then look for possible VIc based partners for Walter Clem in 1916-17 and Herbert William in 1916-17...,  born Jan 1918, so basically you are wanting answer to where was Alma over Easter 1917...

JM

JM with reference to your comment;
In 1916/1917 the Matthews family were still living in Ridgley,Tasmania.
They moved to Ascot Vale,Vic in 1918.
My Grandfather Walter Clem Matthews was born 9 Jan 1902 TAS BDM Reg No.44026/1902
In 1917 he would only have been 15.

The other siblings of reproductive age for consideration, including some you've noted, in order of birth are;
Netallie May b.28 Nov 1889 NSW BDM Reg No.36060/1889
James Robert b.13 Jul 1891 NSW BDM Reg No.8626/1891
Ivy Lily b.4 Feb 1894 NSW BDM Reg No.8010/1894
Mary Ann Dorothy Louisa b.2 Jul 1896 NSW BDM Reg No.20362/1896
Herbert William b.22 Oct 1898 TAS BDM Reg No.2771/1898
Nora Ellen b.7 Apr 1903 TAS BDM Reg No.195/1903
Violet b.6 Aug 1904 TAS BDM Reg No.396/1904

Peg.

[cando]

Thank you to everyone for all the work you're all putting into this mystery.

I thought we'd solved the mystery with her birth certificate and identification of the mother who was Ivy L not Alma.  Most information would have been given verbally in that era.  Errors occurred and often inaccurate info was given in the case of illegitimate births.

I note you have a photo of Ivy on your public family tree on Ancestry.


Ivy was buried at Fawkner Memorial Park.  https://www.gmct.com.au/deceased

[majm]

I am on my e reader still, so one finger typing.

Re Mrs Ivy SHEPHERD -  she is not Alma, See  The Argus, page 8, 23 Feb 1922.  Her then address 3 St Luke St, Sth Melbourne..

Re Mrs Ivy IVORY ... she is the daughter of James Ralph and Lillian (Nee Tiffen) MATTHEWS ... see her Vic Marriage and her Vic death certs...

Well found by Sue and Cando.

Re "Alma Matthews" ... yes, in that era much info was given verbally.   So if someone - a nun perhaps  softly said "my dear, whats your own name"
And the reply came back ..."I'm a Matthews" ... it can easily have become "Alma".

JM.

[wivenhoe]

The Age 21 Jan 1932 p1
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203181581?
death Jane Emma MATTHEWS....res. daughter 178 Ferrars St South Melbourne.......
wife of Charles.....mother of
Constance SCHULTZ.....May GRIFFIN......Ivy SHEPHERD....Frank....Nettie BALL.....Albert     
sister of Mrs FRANCIS.     buried Fawkner.

[sparrett]

Reply #4 from Cando quotes.... thought the mother's name was Alma

Either the nun's recollection was vague, or Ivy lied. Simple.

I would suggest the infant was dropped off before the 1919 marriage of Ivy Lilian MATTHEWS to Alick IVORY.

The couple had 2 chn before the death in 1927 of Ivy.

You need to ignore the SHEPHERD.  It is not relevant.

Sue

[sparrett]

This little item from Wilmot in the Burnie Advocate Tasmania about the death of Mrs IVORY (Ivy) in 1927.
Makes it clear that the IVORY's were a Tasmanian family.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/67771662?searchTerm=%22alick%20ivory%22

Sue