Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?

[Peggle]

Our family mystery begins with Alma Matthews.....

Alma had a child named Amy Ellen who was born Matthews on 17 Jan 1918 in Victoria, Australia.
We cannot find a birth record for Amy.

In 1919, Amy's mother Alma took her to a babies home in Broadmeadows, a suburb of Melbourne and left her there.

My cousin and I have a DNA match to 1 of Amy's Grand Daughters.
(Her half sister's DNA result is pending)
We have all connected and have tried to work out how Alma fits into our family.

We've decided to ask for some help from the Rootschatters as we seem to be going around in circles.

My cousin and I share Great Grandparents.
(James Ralph Matthews and Lillian Tiffen....Discussed previously in another topic)

Our new DNA cousins have provided the scant information they have.
Their Grandmother was known as Amy Ellen Rose Gleed (nee Matthews)
who died in Kyneton,Victoria 26 May 2003.

Amy married Richard Edward (Ned) Clohesy (1911-1969)
27 Aug 1938 at St.John's Church, East Melbourne.
Ref#10176

There are possibly other children belonging to Alma Matthews also.

Thankyou all in advance,
Peg

[sparrett]

Here is he link to the previous research on-

James Ralph Matthews and Lillian Tiffen

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=832019.msg6994595#msg6994595

Sue

[wivenhoe]

If you are researching the origins of Alma MATTHEWS, and the earliest sighting you have of Alma is her name on an orphanage file, 1919.......you need to give all the information on the orphanage admission record.

What information was recorded about Alma MATTHEWS and baby Amy Ellen in 1919?

Where do you see...... possibly......other children born to Alma?

[majm]

 

When Amy married in 1938 in Victoria, what info was recorded on her marriage registration about :
  herself
  her parent/s ... and was Alma named as her mum and perhaps noted as deceased  at that time ...
   who were the witnesses ... do you recognise them from recent research or from long standing oral history ... perhaps they are still living and may know of Alma 

ADD ... who (guardian, or parent)  gave consent for Amy to marry?  She was not yet 21 years of age. 

Edited while on e reader so cannot strike out, but had to  backspace and thus delete poorly worded sentences.


JM

[cando]

An entry on Wiki about Amy Ellen includes the following....born ABOUT 17 Jan 1918 at Ballarat and was left at a church at the age of 1-2 around broadmedows in Victoria the nun thought her mothers name was Alma matthews and believes this woman dropped of possibly another 2 babies in later years   Nell was aware of this info and shared with the family.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Matthews-Gleed-1

[matthewj64]

St Joseph's Foundling Hospital (1901 - 1975)
Gibson Street, Broadmeadows
https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/guide/vic/E000050

M

[majm]

Can you account for all the males and females of child bearing age  who are named on the dc for James who died Ascot Vale on 23 May 1922 .... see reply #87 on other thread  ...  so wondering if a daughter or daughter in law may have been Amy's mum, but was known informally as Alma ...

1922 Olive was 16 ... she was 11 going on 12 in Jan 1918 .... so start with Violet, then Nora Ellen, Ivy Lily, and then Natalie May ... then look for possible VIc based partners for Walter Clem in 1916-17 and Herbert William in 1916-17...,  born Jan 1918, so basically you are wanting answer to where was Alma over Easter 1917...

JM

[wivenhoe]

That information gives further possibilities....anything here?.....

BDM VIC birth
14725/1914 SHEPHERD Marj Erma  parents Claude Augustus / Ivy Emily MATTHEWS / 
South Melbourne

31580/1916 SHEPHERD Raymond Walter parents Claude Augustus / Ivy Emily MATTHEWS
South Melbourne

1368/1918 ROME Ellen Amy  parents Geo / Ivy MATTHEWS
Carlton

17512/1919 MATTHEWS Jno Walter parents  UKN /  Emma Ivy MATTHEWS
Carlton

Death
26831/1968 SHEPHERD Ivy Emily  parents Jane Emma PRENTICE /  MATTHEWS Charles Walter
born  Beechworth  died Brunswick West  age 72

[majm]

I have not found Vic BDM ref but Find A Grave has a Frankston Cemetery Victoria Australia listing for a Lawn plot in  1980,  for given name Alma, and surname GLEED ...

I hope that won't divert us off to a circular search...

JM