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Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« on: Saturday 12 December 20 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Wonder if someone who has access to American records can help. Trying to see if a suggested DNA link might be correct. A key document looks to be the death certificate of a Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) born 1860 “Wales” died 1939 and buried Frackville, Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania, United States of America.

If someone has access I would be grateful if they could provide details of the death certificate for her. from Pennsylvania records 1906 - 1967. I am hoping it might confirm her parents. If the father is Thomas Phillip(s), then I can investigate further as Thomas might be the son of Daniel Phillip and Elizabeth Thomas of Furnance, Llanelly, Elizabeth being my 3rd great aunt.

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Re: Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 12 December 20 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth D Richards
Address 1518 Electric Street
Birth date 24/4/1860 Wales
Widow of Thomas Richards
Father Thomas Philips
Mother Ruth Davies
Died 7/12/1939 age 79 years
Dunmore Lackwanna Pennsylvania

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Re: Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 12 December 20 19:21 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Philips married Ruth Davies 1855
Llanelly Carmarthenshire

The family are in Pennsylvania 1870 census Schuylkill Pennsylvania
Thomas Phillipe ( transcribed on Ancestry ) at 38 born Wales abt 1832 ( miner )
Ruth Phillips age36 born Wales
Anne 14 born Wales ,Daniel 12 Wales ,Elizabeth 11 Wales
Martha 11/12 ,John 6, Mary 3 all born Pennsylvania

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Re: Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 12 December 20 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rosie

Thank you that’s excellent. If possible, and if you don’t mind, are you able to provide details of some other records that might be related. Ruth Davies/David as Thomas Phillips wife seems a common theme but there seems to be a Thomas T Phillips and a Thomas Phillips, not sure if they are one and the same

Ancestry suggests the following which might help resolve this and provide extra info on Thomas(es)
Ancestry

US passport applications for Thomas T Phillips 1795-1925
Pennsylvania marriages Thomas T Phillips and Ruth Phillips 1852-1968
Pennsylvania death certificates 1906-1967, there seems to be 2, Thomas Phillips with wife Ruth Davies and another with wife Ruth David

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Roy



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Re: Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 December 20 23:17 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Philips Birth date 17 July 1832
Died 25 July 1900

You will find his burial on find a grave
Old Fellows Cemetery Schuylkill Pennsylvania

Baptism for Thomas Philips birthdate 17 July 1832
Llanelly  Carmarthenshire
Father Daniel Philips
Mother Elizabeth Thomas

On some records he is listed as Thomas T Philips

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Re: Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 December 20 10:28 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much again. The “T” as a middle name I would guess is I reference to his mother’s maiden surname of Thomas as the “D” as the middle name of some of their children a reference to Davies, their mother’s maiden name.

On a more general note, others say they emigrated about 1862 from Liverpool. If this were the case then they should be in the 1861 UK census but I can’t find them, can others? Thomas was born 1832 Llanelly, Ruth 1835 Llanelly and the 1870 US census has them having 3 children Ann (born 1856, possibly Aberdare), Daniel (1858), Elizabeth (1860). I can’t obviously find their births in the GRO indexes. The only one I think I have found is Elizabeth in the 1861 census living with her grandmother Elizabeth Phillips (nee Thomas) but now remarried to Thomas Davies, living at Furnace Llanelly:

Thomas Davies age 63 born Llanelly
Elizabeth Davies, wife, age 55 born Llanelly
Sarah Phillips, stepdaughter, age 17, born Llanelly
Elizabeth Phillips, granddaughter age 1, born Llanelly

In fact you could argue that Ruth Davies might be the daughter of Thomas Davies and she married Elizabeth’s son Thomas, but maybe that is a step too far. I have also tried searching for Ruth in earlier censuses but without much luck. It may be her as a visitor in 1851 in Merthyr Tydfil, to a Samuel Thomas (32) his wife Jane Thomas (nee Davies??) age 30, Mary Thomas age 2 and William Thomas age 5 mon

Any help on the above would be appreciated

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Re: Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 December 20 11:01 GMT (UK) »
The death for Ruth Phillippe/Philips Schulykil Frackville P A
Death date 21 September 1911
Birth date 31 December 1834 Llanelly Wales
Father John Davis
Mother Ann Phillips
Informant of death her son Daniel D Phillips

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Re: Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 December 20 12:50 GMT (UK) »
Not having much luck with the 1861 census but did you check these births on Gro records
Ann Phillips 1856 Merthyr Tydfil mothers maiden name Davies
Daniel Phillips 1858 Merthyr Tydfil mmn Davies
Elizabeth Phillips 1860 Merthyr Tydfil mmn Davies

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Re: Elizabeth D Richards (nee Phillips) 1860-1939)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 December 20 13:52 GMT (UK) »
Not having much luck with the 1861 census but did you check these births on Gro records
Ann Phillips 1856 Merthyr Tydfil mothers maiden name Davies
Daniel Phillips 1858 Merthyr Tydfil mmn Davies
Elizabeth Phillips 1860 Merthyr Tydfil mmn Davies

Rosie

Looks spot on! Thank you