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Could this mean gay??
« on: Saturday 19 December 20 13:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi - I have a document where I think I have deciphered the handwriting but still do not understand it!

It is an 1825 Attestation for Regiments. It is a pencil note  at the bottom of the page. It appears to read:

‘The little finger right hand is a little bent - would make you believe that he has an impediment of speech but it is all shuffle.’

I believe ‘shuffle’ might mean untrue, but I’ve no clue how fingers connect to speech....so I wondered if it might be a strange pre-Victorian way to say someone’s gestures or voice suggest they might be gay? It’s a leap, but I’m at a loss!

Any ideas? Thank you!

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Re: Could this mean gay??
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 December 20 13:51 GMT (UK) »
I don't know that they would be that subtle in those days would they?  ;D

I can see that the bent finger (if that is what the writing says) could be mentioned if it is a hindrance when firing guns or performing other duties, but the rest of it?????

I will be interested to see what others think.

Added: unless the impediment of speech is pretense to avoid military service. Shuffle may mean "nonsense" .... so he is putting it on?

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 December 20 13:55 GMT (UK) »
It could be it was meant as two separate things it is a list ie....

 Problem with finger could hinder handling a gun...
 He wants you to believe he has a speech problem .......he's trying to create a problem to maybe get out of signing up.

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Liscoe -all
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Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
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Re: Could this mean gay??
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 December 20 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I think there are two separate things too Tazzie.  :)


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Re: Could this mean gay??
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 December 20 13:59 GMT (UK) »
I could be completely wrong, but My thoughts are, that It is two separate observations. The bent little finger, a physical disability, might interfere with the grip or trigger pull of a musket. The speech impediment might be due to a stutter or nerves, which was thought to be over played.
Kirkham, Garlick, Worthington, Shaw, Bamber. Fylde Coast
Naylor/Nailor, Lyons, Wilkinson. Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire
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Re: Could this mean gay??
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 December 20 14:00 GMT (UK) »
I found this meaning for "Shuffle" which seems to fit in this context:

ARCHAIC
- behave in a shifty or evasive manner.
"Mr Milles did not frankly own it, but seem'd to shuffle about it"

- get out of (a difficult situation) in an underhand way.
"he shuffles out of the consequences by vague charges of undue influence"

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Re: Could this mean gay??
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 December 20 14:02 GMT (UK) »
I could be wrong, but aren't these simply notes on some kind of medical examination? One finger is a bit bent; and as a separate issue, he claims to have a speech impediment, though the note dismisses this as 'shuffle' (OED: An evasive trick, evasion, subterfuge).

Nevertheless, I'd be interested to know if there was some kind of coded language used to describe homosexuality. A couple of 20th century phrases come to mind, and I've sometimes wondered if their use invariably implies this.

(Written while others were replying, hence partial repetition of ideas)
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Could this mean gay??
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 December 20 14:13 GMT (UK) »
In 1825 Homosexuals could still be hung for commiting sodomy. The last hanging, for such an offence was in 1835. Refer to the execution of James Pratt and John Smith.
Kirkham, Garlick, Worthington, Shaw, Bamber. Fylde Coast
Naylor/Nailor, Lyons, Wilkinson. Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire
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Re: Could this mean gay??
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 December 20 14:16 GMT (UK) »
I was thinking along those lines too Sandblown.

Would he have been allowed to enlist if they suspected he was homosexual?  :-\