Ok, well I have Cicely Mansell born 1/1/1839 Howe Street and her sister Mary Ann born 22/12/1840. Their parents are Thomas and Mary. I would have searched for their baptisms on Ancestry ages ago and not found them, but now I have their birth certificates I know where they were born. I do have most of the Birmingham Parish baptisms images because I have scanned them all from the library. St Thomas is one of those parishes I don't have though. Mary did die in 1842 aged 1 in Coleshill. Elizabeth was born after Mary and she was baptised at Coleshill. George was born before Cicely when they lived in Winchcombe and he was baptised so I would have thought Cicely and Mary would have been baptised. Alan