Eliza Ann Trinder (1830-1874)- brick wall

[FrancisGrn]

Hi all,
I would like to request someone to look into my biggest brick wall- Eliza Ann Trinder (1830-1874). Born in Lambeth, she married John Thomas Trinder (1824-1884) and had eight children, the oldest, John Samuel being born in 1850, and one of which being my second great-grandmother, Eliza Jessie (1857-1918). The trouble is that I cannot seem to identify Eliza Ann's background or maiden name. There is a marriage certificate dating from 1853 describing a marriage between a 'John Trinder' and 'Eliza Priest', but this doesn't seem right, given that her oldest child was born three years earlier. Furthermore, John Thomas Trinder and Eliza are recorded in the 1851 census. John Thomas Trinder is also almost always recorded as John Thomas, not John. However, the supposed name of his father, Thomas, matches my records. There is also a marriage index on Ancestry which states that 'John Thomas Trinder' married in 1847, a perfect date and a perfect name, making it highly likely that this was him. However, being an index, it does not state the wife's name. I have seen the name 'Eliza Ann Young' in some trees on Ancestry, but the surname does not seem to be substantiated by anything concrete.
Thanks,
Francis

[PaulineJ]

John Thomas Trinder
Marriage 11 Oct 1847  St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Spouse:   Sarah Osmotherly

TRINDER, JOHN  SAMUEL TRINDER    PRIEST 
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 04  Page 312

TRINDER, SOPHIA  MARIA     PRIEST 
GRO Reference: 1852  S Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 289

TRINDER, ELIZA  JESSIE     PRIEST 
GRO Reference: 1857  S Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 297

TRINDER, MARTHA  LOUISA     PRIEST 
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 327

TRINDER, ROSINA  ADELAIDE     PRIEST 
GRO Reference: 1862  M Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 344

[kanskar]

A possible death (but on the other side of the river):

From the GRO

Death 1849 Dec Qtr Poplar 02 269

Sarah Trinder aged 22

[heywood]

Banns of marriage St Paul, Hammersmith
July 1853
John Trinder, widower and Eliza Priest, Spinster

On the same days there were also Banns for Samuel Priest and Sophia Gothard - just in case there is a connection

[kanskar]

Freebmd has the following ref for the Marriage:

Kensington Sep 1853 Qtr 1a 45

[wivenhoe]

Continuing......Is this your family?

GRO births      with mother's family name.

TRINDER, William George  mms.   PRIEST 
1863  SepQ     Lambeth  Vol 01D  Page 330

TRINDER, Thomas Albert   mms.   PRIEST 
1866  SepQ     Lambeth  Vol 01D  Page 320


TRINDER, Henry  mms.     PRIEST 
1869  JunQ     Lambeth  Vol 01D  Page 320

[Mabel Bagshawe]

John Thomas who married Sarah Osmotherley was a labourer, son of Thomas, hatter (I think)

J T Trinder signed (albeit a bit shakily)

Witnesses G R Trinder - signed - and Alice Woodman (mark)

Address York Street

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Thomas Trinder on 1851 is a hat finisher

[FrancisGrn]

@vivienhoe
yes, they are children of JTT. I think that settles it to some extent, but the fact remains, it seems as if JTT and Eliza Priest had a few children before marriage and even put themselves down as husband and wife in 1851 even though they weren't married. Have you ever seen something like this happen before? Also, it raises the question of whether John Samuel was Sarah Osmotherly's son
Francis