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Re: Mary Sandle
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 23 January 21 06:59 GMT (UK) »
Afternoon sparrett, I was informed by a helper that Samuel Sandle jnr. name was in a paper copy stating his death and that he came from Parramatta New South Wales, but no death date for him. I will have a look later some of the records are hard to read. Why then can't find his death through Ancestry? only his father is listed. :'(

Janet :-[

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Re: Mary Sandle
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 23 January 21 07:40 GMT (UK) »
Here's the link to the previous thread where there has already been some searching for this family.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841431.0

The date of the Notice stating that "Samuel SANDELL" has no will is March 1829. and the next of kin named as "Sarah", wife of Matthew McElroy of Sydney.

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Re: Mary Sandle
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 23 January 21 07:47 GMT (UK) »
RED post,  thanks Judith,  I have one finger typed, so I won't rise back spacing to remove my request for that link. 

But the rest of my post may be helpful

Afternoon sparrett, I was informed by a helper that Samuel Sandle jnr. name was in a paper copy stating his death and that he came from Parramatta New South Wales, but no death date for him. I will have a look later some of the records are hard to read. Why then can't find his death through Ancestry? only his father is listed. :'(

Janet :-[

Hi,

There are many instances where Ancestry's database of its  resources are simply inadequate when compared with the actual document upon which they are based.   One example is their composite indexes for Australian births, deaths, marriages.  The Early Church Records for my earliest ancestors are found indexed at NSW BDM .... it's no charge to look up those indexes and find f our example their burials.   But you won't find their burials at  Ancestry.

You are currently interested inl the C of E events that are registered by Rev Samuel Marsden in St John's registers.  It may be of interest to check how Ancestry prepared their particular indexes for St John's.   

To follow up on Sue's thoughts,  may I too emphasise that Samuel, the son, died intestate.  Sue is spot on, 'intestate' is a legal expression, showing that there was no valid will.   ' 'Late of' in respect of a deceased person in the newspapers in the early 1800s for NSW is pointing to where they were  residing  when they died.   :)  so Late of Parramatta suggests to me he should be buried in the Parramatta district.... so there's several cemeteries, but whether there was a headstone, and if it was upright and legible when teams of volunteers transcribed headstones... well I cannot promise we will find him.

In the decades 1788 to 1856,  you are of course looking for a NSW burial.   So I should mention that not all burials were conducted by a clergyman, and not all clergymen recorded burials in their registers, and not all registers survived and .... even those that did survive , not  all were handed to NSW BDM ... and even then those held by NSW were not actually indexed  until 1930s .... so pages missing, ink bleeds, clergy who scribbled, .... we are lucky to have what we do have.

Re the helper who found Samuels death .... can you pop a link to that please ....  I am sure that will help advance your quest.  We should be able to sort from there.



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Re: Mary Sandle
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 23 January 21 20:53 GMT (UK) »
Morning Helpers thanks heaps for your help, I may have to look at Find My Past sometimes they hold better subscriptions on ancestors, Samuel Sandale was in the paper about the will, I have a copy of this from the paper in 1829 perhaps he died around this time. :-[ Need to search further I don't think that Ancestry have the burial records of St. Johns Parramatta only the baptisms and marriages. :-\

Janet :-[


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Re: Mary Sandle
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 23 January 21 21:34 GMT (UK) »
I  won't be able to help much during the coming week, as I am involved in the behind the scenes organising for a family gathering next weekend,  BUT ...

Back in 1950, various volunteers transcribed St John's headstones as they were at that time.  AND .... family search has digitised the card system .. . Not yet fully indexed,  but it is available online...  so there's an option to search for Samuel,  death1829, Parramatta.

I use Search,  then Records, then I click on map of Australia, then I select the word Australia, and then using 'less is more' ... I enter sam, Parramatta,  death, 1828 to 1829.

No surname,  you could even save out Parramatta.... also consider searching the 1828 NSW census .... there's a good free to search version in a thread I did up some time ago. 

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Re: Mary Sandle
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 24 January 21 05:15 GMT (UK) »
Afternoon majm thanks for your help in searching for Samuel Sandle I will try and have another look, would you know when the next Australian Census was after 1828 I have searched in this area and also Street Directories. :-[

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Janet :-\

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Re: Mary Sandle
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 24 January 21 23:29 GMT (UK) »
You may find this helpful, a list of which early censuses survive and where they can be found:
http://www.jaunay.com/auscensus.html

Also info about the census records on familysearch:
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Australia_Census

and this one from the State Library Victoria
https://guides.slv.vic.gov.au/earlycensus/history

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Re: Mary Sandle
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 24 January 21 23:54 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning maddys52 thanks for your information I am back on this family again after I came home yesterday and behold a big parcel behind the chair from Archives regarding Francis mcGovern who later married Sarah Sandell in 1819, it will require a lot of reading and some are so small, poor eyes again. :-\
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Janet :'(