Thomas Johns

[Vixen999]

Hi I was hoping someone could help identify the parents of Thomas Johns, born around 1822, Walsall, Staffordshire.  Thomas married Dinah Woolley and was a jobbing Smith. I believe he died 1871.

There is a record for a Thomas Johns, Walsall 1823, parents Thomas Johns and mother Mary.  Thomas Johns senior is also listed as the father to Thomas junior on the marriage bans to Dinah Woolley, also a jobbing Smith. 

However apart from this I can't find any info on Thomas Johns senior and Mary.  Any help with these two would be gratefully received including any further children they had.

Thanks

[Milliepede]

Do the marriage witnesses help at all - Ann Curtis - Charles Baker - were they relations or not known?

In 1841 there is a Johns trio in Birmingham

Thos Johns 40 - B smith?
Thos Johns 15
Elizth Johns 20

none born in County which would be correct if born Staffordshire

Actually this might be right because it looks to be the same street as Thomas listed on his marriage - Leek Street.

[Milliepede]

Burial for Thomas Johns of Leek Street 11 July 1845 age 47 (the Thomas age 40 in 1841)

Possible baptism 2 July 1797 Walsall to William & Ann

[Milliepede]

There's a Mary Richards/Thomas Johns marriage in Walsall 13 Sep 1819 but don't know if the correct one.

[Vixen999]

There doesnt seem any relation at present with the witnesses at all.  I hadnt spotted the address was the same as Thomas's marriage bans on the 1841 census, so well spotted, thanks  

Do the marriage witnesses help at all - Ann Curtis - Charles Baker - were they relations or not known?

In 1841 there is a Johns trio in Birmingham

Thos Johns 40 - B smith?
Thos Johns 15
Elizth Johns 20

none born in County which would be correct if born Staffordshire

Actually this might be right because it looks to be the same street as Thomas listed on his marriage - Leek Street.

[Vixen999]

I did come across this census but was thrown by the 1826 potential birth year for Thomas Junior, as I believe him to be born 1822 potentially baptised 1823

Do the marriage witnesses help at all - Ann Curtis - Charles Baker - were they relations or not known?

In 1841 there is a Johns trio in Birmingham

Thos Johns 40 - B smith?
Thos Johns 15
Elizth Johns 20

none born in County which would be correct if born Staffordshire

Actually this might be right because it looks to be the same street as Thomas listed on his marriage - Leek Street.

[Vixen999]

Tbanks for this, right area, right names for parents.  Ill take a closer look.  I hadnt come across this record, thanks

There's a Mary Richards/Thomas Johns marriage in Walsall 13 Sep 1819 but don't know if the correct one.

[Vixen999]

His parents were william and Ann though havent been able to find much at all on Ann and very little on william.  Two potential dates for william is 1768 and 1760

Burial for Thomas Johns of Leek Street 11 July 1845 age 47 (the Thomas age 40 in 1841)

Possible baptism 2 July 1797 Walsall to William & Ann