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Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« on: Friday 29 January 21 18:26 GMT (UK) »
Looking for help in identifying the place of birth for Jessie Helen Gray, entry 113 in the snip.

Her parents are Patrick Gray, a farmer and Jessie Gray formerly Ramsay.

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Re: Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 January 21 18:35 GMT (UK) »
I suspect the place of birth is Kilderry with a very messy K, same as her older sister Elizabeth


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Re: Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 January 21 18:36 GMT (UK) »
I suspect the place of birth is Kilderry with a very messy K, same as her older sister Elizabeth

Brilliant thanks, can see it now!
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Re: Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 January 21 18:38 GMT (UK) »
same location given for the birth of older brother James


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Re: Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 January 21 18:49 GMT (UK) »
same location given for the birth of older brother James

Great thanks. Just looking into this line. Patrick stated he was born in Perthshire, Scotland in their census. Mother Jessie was born Kirriemuir, Scotland. Just wondering if Patrick's line came from Ireland initially. They moved back to Scotland sometime between 1872 and 1874 when their next son, John was born Findo Gask, Perthshire.

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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
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Perthshire
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Re: Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 January 21 19:16 GMT (UK) »
found another brother to Jessie jnr - Patrick born March 1869 also at Kilderry, and also a sister Margaret Christina June 1870

(all the above on IrishGenealogy, James Ramsey 1864, Elizabeth 1866, Jessie 1872, some Gray, others as Grey)

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Re: Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 January 21 19:18 GMT (UK) »

I suspect the place of birth is Kilderry with a very messy K, same as her older sister Elizabeth

Agree with athacliath62  :)

Kilderry split into two adjacent civil parishes east of Croom.
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/smallcounty/ballycahane/fedamore/kilderry/
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/pubblebrien/monasteranenagh/kilpeacon/kilderry/


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Re: Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 January 21 19:44 GMT (UK) »
found another brother to Jessie jnr - Patrick born March 1869 also at Kilderry, and also a sister Margaret Christina June 1870

(all the above on IrishGenealogy, James Ramsey 1864, Elizabeth 1866, Jessie 1872, some Gray, others as Grey)

Thank you very much. I missed some of these.


I suspect the place of birth is Kilderry with a very messy K, same as her older sister Elizabeth

Agree with athacliath62  :)

Kilderry split into two adjacent civil parishes east of Croom.
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/smallcounty/ballycahane/fedamore/kilderry/
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/pubblebrien/monasteranenagh/kilpeacon/kilderry/


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Great, thank you! I wonder why they moved from Scotland to farm over there for a while? Patrick Gray and Janet/Jessie Ramsay married in Tipperary in Oct 1863.

EDIT: They got married in the "Scots Church" in Tipperary there.
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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie

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Re: Place of birth in Croom, Limerick - GRAY
« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 January 21 21:05 GMT (UK) »
Patrick Gray and Janet/Jessie Ramsay married in Tipperary in Oct 1863.

EDIT: They got married in the "Scots Church" in Tipperary there.

Link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1863/09660/5503100.pdf

Patrick Gray and Janet Ramsey residing in Kilderry townland.


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