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Offline wrjones

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Caroline Bellis
« on: Sunday 07 February 21 18:45 GMT (UK) »
My relative John Griffiths married a Caroline Bellis in 1866 in what is given on North Wales BMD as a Wrexham Civil Marriage.I found the Surname of Caroline finding the Birth of their daughter Caroline born in 1873.My problem is that I can't find this Caroline anywhere before 1866.

This has become of interest after a descendant of Caroline(1873) got in touch with me via Ancestry.However this descendant is  of no help as he has to be rated 0  internet savvy.Naturally though he is asking me of the Births etc of John and Caroline parents of Caroline junior.

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William Russell Jones.

Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Caroline Bellis
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 February 21 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Where and when was Caroline snr born?

Presume you don’t have the 1866 marriage cert showing her fathers name?

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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Caroline Bellis
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 February 21 19:37 GMT (UK) »
If I have the right 1871 entry - this couple had children born before 1866?

Caroline jnr b Dec qtr 1873 was a twin - sister Mary
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Re: Caroline Bellis
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 February 21 19:39 GMT (UK) »
Caroline was about age 40 when she and John Griffiths - widower - married so have you considered that Bellis may have been a previous married name? Caroline birth reg 1873 is the only one to a Griffiths/Bellis marriage.
John Griffiths previously married to a Mary Lewis if the birth registrations for twins John and Richard born 1858 I have are correct.
There is a marriage Dec 1/4 1855 on FreeBMD with an Edward Bellis and a Caroline Jones on the same page. Registration district  Holywell

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Re: Caroline Bellis
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 February 21 19:45 GMT (UK) »
Yes the 1871 entry does give at least a Mary A born in c 1864.I've considered possible second marriages but the Caroline Birth confirms her name when she married.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: Caroline Bellis
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 February 21 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Caroline was a twin...sister was Mary.
Caroline 11b 283
 Mary 11b 283  Griffiths mmn Bellis. Wrexham Dec quarter.

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Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Caroline Bellis
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 February 21 19:58 GMT (UK) »
The Caroline Griffiths on the 1871 entry was only 32 & b Manchester
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Re: Caroline Bellis
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 February 21 20:02 GMT (UK) »
so this 1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5PG-W7Q

daughter Eliza registered jun qtr 1870 Wrexham vol 11b pg pg 362 mmn Bellis

Baptism 28 Nov 1873 in Rhosymedre for Caroline & Mary daughters of John Griffiths, collier, & Caroline.

Possible 1861 census for Caroline
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7B3-WXM

red post but sending for other info...
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Caroline Bellis
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 07 February 21 20:06 GMT (UK) »
baptism in Erbistock 19 June 1870 for Eliza daughter of John Griffiths, labourer, & Caroline.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb
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