Gregson family, Blackburn and Burwell family Bolton/Chorley.

[Mike G]

I am having a real problem going further back than John Gregson cotton manufacturer then traveller, b1786? d 1st Oct 1850 , Blackburn, Lancaster who married for the second time in 1822 to Betty Calvert from Balderstone, Lancashire. A witness was James Gregson (brother? from Manchester), who in the marriage documentation noted that John Gregson was not born in England. I find this difficult to believe. Maybe James signed so that the marriage could progress.
John and Betty Gregson produced Edmund Calvert Gregson and Betsy Anne Gregson - she married Joshua Blackshaw.  They lived in Blackburn.
On my mother's side, James Burwell (B 1813?  d 1845) Agent for the goods department of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Company, came from Rothwell in Yorkshire, to Bolton and Chorley.  He married Dorothy Wilson 18 June 1842 at Bolton le Moors.  After James early death Dorothy married again this time to  Wiiliam Anderson.
Any extra information about these people would be very welcomed.

[Milliepede]

Just a thought but not born in England could mean he was born Wales, Ireland or Scotland not necessarily abroad as we think of the word.

Do you have him on the 1841 census?  The last column should indicate if he was born elsewhere.

[rosie99]

The John Gregson who was a Traveller in 1841 (Blackburn) was 'born in County' -  Lancashire.  His wife was listed as Elizabeth and the children were Edward 15, Betsy 14.

Baptism 8 Oct 1826 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire
Betsy Ann Gregson - Parents John Gregson & Betty
Born 27 Jun 1826
Abode Witton
Fathers Occupation Manufacturer

Have you established why Edmund/Edward had the middle name Calvert

[Radcliff]

I cant see anything in the marriage allegation stating John wasn't born in England
would you like to post what you have

[Radcliff]

St Paul Blackburn
baptism
Edmund Calvert Gregson
born 29th May 1824
baptised 10th October
Father John a manufacturer, mother Elizabeth
abode Witton

[Radcliff]

depending on how many John Gregsons were manufacturers
this one could be a son from first marriage
St Mary The Virgin Blackburn
14th August 1838
Lawrence Gregson,full age, bachelor, book keeper
of Over Darwen
Mary Kay full age spinster of Over Darwen
Grooms father John Gregson manufacturer
brides father William Kay Manufacturer
witnessed by Thomas Livesey and Samuel Leaver
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St Mary the Virgin Blackburn
24th September 1840
James Duckworth, full age ,spinner, bachelor of Blackburn
Hannah Gregson,full age, spinster of Witton
Grooms father Henry Duckworth Quarryman
Brides father John Gregson manufacturer
witness Peter Neville and Joseph Fairbrother

[Radcliff]

Partnerships dissolved,
Manchester Times
August 5th 1843
John Gregson, Edward Gregson, William Marsden, and Lawrence Gregson,
Over Darwen and Preston,
sizers of cotton Twist

[Radcliff]

Lawrence has three children
on the baptism of William in 1839 Lawrence is the manager of a cotton mill

on the baptism  of John in 1842 he is a sizer,

on the baptism of Rachel in 1845 he is sizer now living in Preston

[Mike G]

I tried to reply to Milliepede, Rosie99 and Radcliff but I think the info did not upload for some reason, so I am repeating the post.

Thank you ever so much for your very useful info.

I have the 1841 census info, but the page has what I think are "ditto" signs alongside all the names on the column for "born in County" (Lancashire).  This does not agree with what James Gregson (witness at JG and Elizabeth Calvert's wedding 10 Sep 1822) signed.  There was an addition to one of the 3 allegation certificates for the wedding.  (I got copies from Cheshire Records Office) JG signed under the handwritten words, "He believes the Register of the Baptism of the said John Gregson is not in England, because he has been informed, I believe that the said John Gregson was not born in England."

JG and EG (Betty) had 3 children - Edmund Calvert Gregson  b 1824 (I suspect the names are from his mother's (Betty) family in Balderstone.  Edward b 1825 and Betsy Ann 1826.  Edward was noted as being 15 in the 1841 census, but I cannot read his occupation - "Cotton xxxxx".  Any thoughts on his occupation and his future life?  Also I cannot find his birth/baptism info.
In the 1841 census Edmund Calvert Gregson who would have been 17 yrs old, was not living with the family.  Where was he?

Radcliff - the Lawrence and Hannah info is very interesting.  At Lawrence's marriage (1838) with Mary Kay he was noted as being full age.  I guess this means more than 21 yrs old.  So he was born before 1817 but where?  Likewise Hannah (of Witton - interestingly) married in 1840 was possibly born in 1819.  What happened to their mother  - how, when and where did she die?  John Gregson (poss father) and his 2nd bride Elizabeth (Betty) Calvert lived in Witton at the time of their marriage.

As an aside Elizabeth (Betty) was the youngest of her family in Balderstone, and so I suspect she had to look after her aging parents.  She was 39 and a spinster when she married - quite old at the time.  Her father had died a short time before. Surprisingly. she went on to produce 3 children.

Radcliff - partnership disolved 1843  - Edward would have been 18ish -  a bit young?   and Lawrence 26ish?