Owens, John Darlington

[shanreagh]

So if someone (ie OP's friend and neighbour) was making a request for the 1901 certificate would they quote the number 1901/3804 with the name as John Darlington Owens? 

[minniehaha]

So if someone (ie OP's friend and neighbour) was making a request for the 1901 certificate would they quote the number 1901/3804 with the name as John Darlington Owens?

Ah, no. I have contacted NZ BDM without explaining the circumstances, but to say that this entry does not appear on their on line index. I was told that all they need is the full name and date of birth.

Minniehaha.

[shanreagh]

So ask for the birth certificate of John Darlington Owens and give his date of birth?  Also without explaining the circumstances ie a low key ordinary request for a birth certificate?

[minniehaha]

So ask for the birth certificate of John Darlington Owens and give his date of birth?  Also without explaining the circumstances ie a low key ordinary request for a birth certificate?

That is what I would try. However because we know there was an adoption involved around the names of "John Darlington", the person applying may run into a brick wall, perhaps? Although there is nothing marked against this particular entry on the microfiche to indicate anything other than a 'normal' registration.

Minniehaha.

[Janette]

John Darlington MOULDEN 3171/66 [third quarter]

Minniehaha.

Just adding to the above.
Registration Place:    Nelson, Nelson, New Zealand
Folio Number:    3171


Cheers
KHP

Could John himself have registered the birth in 1966 with the information he had? maybe he needed it to get the pension?

Cheers Janette

[kiwihalfpint]

That has been the thought on a couple of posts


Cheers
KHP

[wivenhoe]

I think this possibly describes the family of Alice MOULDEN -

New Zealand Herald   8 Jul 1939 p1
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19390708.2.2.3?

MOULDEN.—On July 7, 1939, at a private hospital, Auckland, Alice, loved widow of William Henry MOULDEN, and loved mother of William MOULDEN, of Mission Bay, and beloved sister of
Mrs. M. CRAWFORD and Mrs. E. MARTIN, of Auckland
Mrs. H. GREEDY, of Wellington; aged 75 years.


Evening Post 29 Oct 1919 p1
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19191029.2.2?
HILL.—In fond and loving memory of James Henry HILL, killed in action In France on the 29th October, 1918.....brother and sister-in-law, A. and D. Hill, Tokomaru.

Auckland Star 29 Oct 1919 p16
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19191029.2.148?
HILL.—In loving memory of our dear brother, James Henry HILL, New Zealand Rifle Brigade, who was killed in action in France, October 29, 1918....sister and brother-in-law, H. and W. MOULDEN Northcote.

HILL.—In loving memory of my dear brother, James Henry HILL, New Zealand Rifle Brigade, who was killed In action In France on October 29, 1918.......... sister and family, Mrs. Wesley MARTIN, Ponsonbv (late of Onehnnga).

NZ BDM marriage

897/1544     HILL Harriet     x     NIXON  Hiram   
1914/7331  NIXON  Harriet Eliza     x GREEDY  Henry Thomas

1915/1163  Ambrose HILL    x     Dorothy OSBORNE   

1890/2924  HILL Mary Ann    x  CRAWFORD William

1899/1420  HILL Eliza Jane     x   MARTIN Wesley   

BDM NZ births   
1871/18497   HILL Mary Ann           parents Mary Ann / James
1875/11053   HILL   Harriet Eliza   parents Mary Ann / James   
1878/646           HILL  Eliza                   parents Mary Ann / James   
1880/381           HILL   James Henry   parents Mary Ann / James   
1882/163     HILL   Ambrose           parents Mary Ann / James   

From WW1 NZEF record for James Henry HILL, #55966.....
father James born Lancashire......NZ 30 years
mother Mary Ann born Dublin......NZ 30 years     
(record to be seen via Archway NZ)

Auckland Star 24 Feb 1904 p8
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19040224.2.81.4?
HILL.—On February 19, 1904, at her late residence. Clarence street, Ponsonby Mary Ann relict of the late James Ambrose HILL  aged 60 years.

Waikumate Cemetery
https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cemeteries/Pages/find-burial-cremation.aspx
Anglican Division A  Row 6  Plot  24
HILL Mary Ann  died 19 Feb1904   60y
HILL James       died 28 Jun 1893  62y   occupation porter

[wivenhoe]

Numerous newspaper articles about the MOULDEN - MACHATTIE divorce including this -

Auckland Star 9 Oct 1884 p2
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18841008.2.23?
.....He knew Miss HILL. Went to Sydney in '83. Miss HILL was there, Was staying at the same place. Were not living as man and wife. Was not engaged to marry another if succeeded in getting a divorce. Had suffered enough with one without making a second venture.......

The marriages of the HILL siblings seem to all end in divorce, so possible for a boy born 1901 needing a family.  The adoption might have been to formalise an in-family arrangement.

[wivenhoe]

NZ BDM birth
1966/106185   MOULDEN   John Darlington Owens  parents    - / William Henry

If this record is an amendment, made 1966, to an existing birth record, the number would not change.  It would be a 1966 amendment to record number 106185. This is too high a number to fit the number of births in 1901....or 1905, NZ    I suspect this is a birth record, newly created in 1966. 

Applying for pension?....applying for passport?.....did William travel overseas?....the birth record should have more information. And why was it needed when a birth record would have been created at adoption, 1905?

NZ BDM
1939/6517  William John Owens   MOULDEN     marr.  REGAN  Annie Mary Cecelia

Do you have a printout of this record?   Might be interesting to see how William records his origins.
You will need this document to apply for access to adoption records