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Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« on: Thursday 04 March 21 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
I'd like to ask if someone could have a look at this conundrum and perhaps give me some advice on this. The person in question is Ann Hey, born 1765 in Rochdale, who married James Robinson in 1785. Her brothers were James and John Hey. I know that she was the daughter of a John and Sarah Hey, but the trouble is, there are two competing possibilities. The trees on Ancestry unanimously agree that Ann's parents were John Hey and Sarah Webster, both born and died in Colne, both of whom have extremely detailed lines probably researched by a professional. However, I've noticed an 1760 marriage record for a John Hey and Sarah Calverley in Rochdale, which seems somewhat more likely. Could someone please advise me on which one is more likely to be true?
Thanks,
Francis

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Re: Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 March 21 19:20 GMT (UK) »
I can't find any baptisms in Colne but have found the following in Rochdale

Parents John and Sarah

James baptised 3 November 1760
Ann baptised 9 June 1765
William baptised 25 January 1767
John baptised 24 December 1769.

I'd ignore what other trees says and go with what you have found in your research eg the marriage and baptisms in Rochdale.

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Re: Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 March 21 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Abode at James' baptisms was Fieldhead. Abode at baptisms of Ann, William and John was Henland.
Transcription on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks site for the marriage of John Hey & Sarah Calverley has me puzzled. It says "Banns read" with dates, but then "Married by licence". Why would they need a licence if they had banns? Is this a transcription error or a clerical error by clergy?
Have you discounted the marriage to Sally Simpson Nov. 1764? 
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Re: Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 March 21 23:53 GMT (UK) »
Abode at James' baptisms was Fieldhead. Abode at baptisms of Ann, William and John was Henland.

Have you discounted the marriage to Sally Simpson Nov. 1764?

Burials St. Chad, Rochdale:
18th Feb 1763  Sarah Hey wife of John, abode Fieldhead
21st August 1776 Sarah Hey wife of John, abode Henland

I suggest that Sarah who died 1763 was the mother of James 1760 and that she may have been Sarah Calverley and that the Sarah who died 1776 was mother of Ann, William and John and that she may have been Sarah Simpson.
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Re: Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 March 21 00:01 GMT (UK) »
Was this Ann's brother?
Burial St. Chad 1772 John Hey son of John Hey, abode Henland.
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Re: Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 25 April 21 18:17 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
Sorry about leaving this chat dead; I had some exams which I had to get ready for!
Thanks for the hard work,
Francis

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Re: Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« Reply #6 on: Monday 26 April 21 10:03 BST (UK) »
The trees on Ancestry unanimously agree that Ann's parents were John Hey and Sarah Webster, both born and died in Colne, both of whom have extremely detailed lines probably researched by a professional.

A few things to consider.
Have you communicated with owners of those trees?
A possible reason why they "unanimously agree" is that one has copied from another or accepted "hints" from someone else's tree offered by Ancestry.
Amateurs do detailed research too.
Experts, even paid ones, can be wrong.
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Re: Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« Reply #7 on: Monday 26 April 21 11:02 BST (UK) »
The trees on Ancestry unanimously agree that Ann's parents were John Hey and Sarah Webster, both born and died in Colne

When & where did they marry? When did they die and were were they buried?
Have you looked for marriage licences for any of the John & Sarah couples?
Are there any wills for any of the families?
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Re: Parents for Ann Hey b.1765
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 April 21 21:42 BST (UK) »
Hi,
The license for the Sarah Calverley marriage is easy to find. The date is 10 Jun 1760 at Wardleworth, Rochdale. For Sally Simpson- 18 Nov 1764. Interestingly, in both licenses, John Hey signs his name, which seems somewhat unusual as most 18th Rochdale ancestors I've encountered were illiterate. That might suggest that the two were the same person. I found a baptism record for Ann at Henland in 1865 with Sally as the mother. As for death dates- The ones for both Sarahs look very promising, but the names are just so common in Lancashire  :-\. I don't know when John Hey or his daughter died, or for that matter which John Hey is ours on the records. Ann married James Robinson in 1785 which is well-attested. Wills- I don't think that the family were in the financial position to write wills, and haven't found any as of yet.
Best wishes,
Francis