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sarah A Wiles (1826)
« on: Friday 05 March 21 21:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi its me again and hopefully this time I will not take you on a wild goose chase like I did with the Paynes.
This Sarah shows up on the 1881 census with her "Uncle" Pharez Swaile Morris (1886-1809)(he is MY 3rd Great Grandfather) but although she is transcribed as "servant", it clearly reads NIECE. The thing is I cannot find her parents at all as I only have 3 siblings for Pharez and the girls I think did not marry. Sarah was born in 1826 in St Neots according to that census and she is with her 3 children Ada Ellen 1870 William Bonnett 1874 and Arthur Henry 1877. She is noted as S for single. In the 1891 census she is there again in her own place with the children plus another Frederick A 1882. I have tried every combination of names and on Williams marriage it does say HIS father is William Bonnett Wiles too but there is no marriage between A William Wiles and a Sarah. On one of the childrens birth record, it states Wiles as his mothers maiden name. Not sure where she fits in at all though with my Morrises...any help please

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Re: sarah A Wiles (1826)
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 March 21 23:14 GMT (UK) »
If she was b 1826 she would have been too old to be having children in 1877 and 1882  ???

1891 shows her birthyear as 1846 - can you amend your subject header to avoid confusion

1871 entry

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Re: sarah A Wiles (1826)
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 March 21 23:23 GMT (UK) »
She is on the 1851 census with parents Freeman & Naomi

HO107/1750/213/9

Birth on freebmd Sept qtr 1845 - mothers maiden name was Morris as per GRO online

1861 - a servant in Bedfordshire

She was born as Wiles so no marriage.  Children made up a fathers name to appear “respectable”. He may have been “William Bonnett” but he wasn’t married to Sarah
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Re: sarah A Wiles (1826)
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 March 21 23:38 GMT (UK) »
There is a 26yr old William Bonnett b Stotfold Beds - single - on the 1871 census.  Sarah’s 3 youngest children were all b Stotfold
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Re: sarah A Wiles (1826)
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 March 21 13:33 GMT (UK) »
FreeREG has St Catharine, Litlington, Cambridgeshire Bapts etc.

PHAREZ Morris 2 Mar 1806 to Wm/LUCI Morris (mother Swales)
[MORRIS] [BT MORRIS] Pharez son of [blank][BT Wm] and Luci [BT farmer] baseborn. (Trans note: I made a duplicate entry with surname MORRIS to insure info is found)

Other children ;
Pelatiah 1807 (male)
Naomi 1811 buried same year
Aser (male) bapt 1813, born 1809

NAOMI Morris bapt 24 Mar 1818 (birth 24 Mar 1814) to WILLIAM/LUCY
Father a Farmer

So Pharez and Sarah Wiles Mother Naomi are Brother/Sister.
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Re: sarah A Wiles (1846)
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 March 21 23:15 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Carole and Trish

When Carold said that Sarahs Mother was a Morris, I thought well I have been through the 3 siblings..Palatiah (who I thought was female according to census anyway) but she died as a Morris, Asa died young too and so did Naomi. But i did not know there was another Naomi, I was not aware of her...so that was interesting. Does that mean that the 2nd Naomi married a Mr Wiles to have Sarah? At least I have more info now, so thanks alot...I took Sarahs date from 1881 census and although I always look at all census to get a round about date, it is sometimes only the death that gives the definitive. And of course I only have GR and Ancestry to work with...Thanks again.

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Re: sarah A Wiles (1826)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 March 21 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Yes CaroleW found that info for you.
That is;
1851 Census Sarah Ann with Parents Freeman and Naomi Wiles.
And her Birth Reg with mmn Morris
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Re: sarah A Wiles (1826)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 March 23 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Which part of the county are we in?

If it's up towards the Huntingdonshire (now Cambridgeshire) border, there was a Wiles family up in Great (Huntingdonshire) and Little (Bedfordshire) Staughton, and spilling over to St Neots (Huntingdonshire) which  we've been discussing a bit over on the Huntingdonshire board. She she fit in with them at all?
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