20th Century Jewish brick wall

[Josephine]

Take a look at the 1881 census entry for Zachariah Moss, 67, clothier, born Whitechapel, living in Paddington, London.

Sons include Moses, 24, clothier, born Houndsditch, and Isaac, 17, shop man general, also born Houndsditch.

[Josephine]

I really hope some other Rootschatters will be able to help you with these potential leads.

[MaureeninNY]

Not of any help-just putting these here:

Isaac and Rebec* (1911 and 1901)seem to have had 2 children.

From GRO Births:

MOSES, PHILIP  ZACHARIAH VERNON   mmn   ISAACS   
 1888  S Quarter in PADDINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 69 

MOSS, STUART  REGINALD    mmn   PHILLIPS   
 1894  S Quarter in WESTMINSTER  Volume 01A  Page 499 

There is a marriage:
FreeBMD

Marriages Jun 1887:   

Isaacs    Rebecca        Westminster    1a   957    

MOSES    Isaac        Westminster    1a   957

Maureen

[sandiep]

Take a look at the 1881 census entry for Zachariah Moss, 67, clothier, born Whitechapel, living in Paddington, London.

Sons include Moses, 24, clothier, born Houndsditch, and Isaac, 17, shop man general, also born Houndsditch.

I did put this  on page 1  but no one  seemed  to think it was a possible

[Josephine]

Take a look at the 1881 census entry for Zachariah Moss, 67, clothier, born Whitechapel, living in Paddington, London.

Sons include Moses, 24, clothier, born Houndsditch, and Isaac, 17, shop man general, also born Houndsditch.

I did put this  on page 1  but no one  seemed  to think it was a possible

Whoops, sorry, sandiep!

[Josephine]

Not of any help-just putting these here:

Isaac and Rebec* (1911 and 1901)seem to have had 2 children.

From GRO Births:

MOSES, PHILIP  ZACHARIAH VERNON   mmn   ISAACS   
 1888  S Quarter in PADDINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 69 

MOSS, STUART  REGINALD    mmn   PHILLIPS   
 1894  S Quarter in WESTMINSTER  Volume 01A  Page 499 

There is a marriage:
FreeBMD

Marriages Jun 1887:   

Isaacs    Rebecca        Westminster    1a   957    

MOSES    Isaac        Westminster    1a   957

Maureen

I think this is helpful, because it shows the use of Moses as a surname for Isaac and one of his sons.

FreeBMD also has a marriage in Westminster of a Moses John Moses and a Jessie Abrahams in the March quarter of 1885. Could this be the missing Moses Moss? You'd have to purchase both marriage records and see if the father's name and occupation line up.

The GRO index has a birth for a Henry John Moses, mmn Abrahams, in Swansea in the March quarter of 1886. That doesn't match the birth date of 6 March 1889, which I think was mentioned in an earlier comment as his d.o.b. per the 1939 Register?

Even so, I think the two marriage records are worth following up on.

Regards,
Josephine

Edited to add: Now it looks like I'm going around in circles, because the 1891 census shows John Moses, iron trade agent, with wife Jessie and son Harry in Willesden, Middlesex, and I think someone already posted this family a while back. Darn!

[JeremyS]

Take a look at the 1881 census entry for Zachariah Moss, 67, clothier, born Whitechapel, living in Paddington, London.

Sons include Moses, 24, clothier, born Houndsditch, and Isaac, 17, shop man general, also born Houndsditch.

I did put this  on page 1  but no one  seemed  to think it was a possible

I must apologise to you Sandiep! - I'm new to this & everyone I had found so far, who were all poor & living in the east end of London, no one had moved more than a mile from where they were born! I also had family (mis)information that Harry was a straight-off-the-boat immigrant so I just couldn't see past this & couldn't envisage him being anywhere other than the east end, especially as he was married there. It just shows you have to keep an open mind!

[JeremyS]

This is incredible! Thank you so much Josephine.

And when matched with this document I think it's truly amazing. 1911 census, here is (prob), the Avenue Hotel on Shaftesbury Avenue, Harry Moss, aged 22 working as a manager...and who else is on the doc, but Margaret May Sayer from the articles you posted!!!! A barmaid, 25 & single in 1911. Wow.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2352/images/rg14_00500_0455_03?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=vcr57&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=1490145

Awesome! You're most welcome, JeremyS!

If you go to the page just prior to the one showing Harry Moss in 1911, you'll see the cover page, which says it was filled out by Mr. Tull (I think), for 21 Shaftesbury Avenue W.

Regards,
Josephine

The page after the entry shows for 25 Shaftesbury Av, & that it was filled out by H. Moss! At 22 being the manager, younger than almost everyone there & filling out their census, certainly suggests that the Uncle could have set him up with the job...

[JeremyS]

So on the thread I posted from 2017 on Family Tree Forum, people there have posted references which are Piece / Folio / Page, and I'm trying to look them up but embarrassingly I don't know how to do it, despite entering the data what I thought was correctly on Ancestry. I thought I knew what I was doing but turns out I'm a real amateur  haha.

Is anyone able to tell me how to find these, or even better post links from Ancestry to the correct document?

I think this is for Zachariah & his first wife Rachel Judah
- 1851 Piece 1533 Folio 357 Page number 40
- 1861 Piece 211 Folio 21 Page number 2

Then for Zachariah with his 2nd marriage (Elizabeth) Leah
1891: Piece number:15 Folio:119 Page:3
1901: Piece number:119 Folio:29 Page:6
1911: Registration district: Paddington
Registration District Number: 1
Sub-registration district: Paddington North
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 28

Also they say Zachariah married Rachael Judah St Luke July 1848. - I was able to find this when searching under Rachel's name but not a marriage index ref under Zachariah's name.

Then they say Rachael dies 1874 and Zachariah remarries to Elizabeth Leah Connor Mar 1888 Paddington - I can't find docs to support either of these facts.

Just spent 2 hours trying. Not being lazy just a beginner, sorry!