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Identifying an opposing German force during a WWI attack (Arras 1917).
« on: Wednesday 10 March 21 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

I'm trying to see if I can identify what German units would have been opposing my great-grandfather's first attack during WWI. As fate would have it, I now live in Germany and I'd like to know more about 'the other side' of this action.

My great-grandfather first went into action on the 28th of April with the 10th Lincolnshires (a.k.a. the Grimsby Chums) at Roeux, or as part of what some members of the battalion later referred to as 'the fiasco at the chemical works at Roeux'. Also involved in the attack were the 11th Suffolks and the 15th Royal Scots, all as part of the wider battle of Arras.

I've read the regimental diaries, as well as a number of descriptions of the action itself. The Chums were in the centre, with the immediate objective of seizing a cemetery that lay at the junction of Rue de Fampoux and Rue Eugène Dumont, where there now stands a memorial. The Royal Scots were to the south, attempting to take Roeux proper, with the Suffolks to the north trying to take the aforementioned chemical works.

From my understanding of the battle, it was a complete disaster for the Lincolnshires from the outset. Their trench was actually at right angles to the objective, and an attempt to covertly leave the trench before dawn and form up for the attack in the open caused so much noise that they immediately came under hellish fire.

As they tried to advance on the cemetery, they discovered that the buildings and houses surrounding it were heavily garrisoned and most troops had to take cover in shell-holes as best they could. A large number of these troops were captured when the German commander realised they were pinned by fire and sent out a counter attack to surround them.

Eventually the commanding officer of the Chums realised the attack was in trouble and began attempting to organise a defense from the expected counter-attack. The regimental diary says he managed to gather together 40 men from the battalion's original 626. A detachment of German soldiers did later advance from the town itself to the South East. They managed to enter one of the trenches, but were eventually driven off with a bombing run using grenades.

I sadly have very little knowledge of the German side of military history, and I was wondering if anyone could help me identify some of the forces involved in this German defence/counter-attack.

Many thanks in advance!  :)

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Re: Identifying an opposing German force during a WWI attack (Arras 1917).
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 12:59 GMT (UK) »
You may have to go to the Bde. or Div. diaries to see if anything is mentioned.
Sometimes is & sometimes isn't.
I'll take a look at the Div. diary.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Identifying an opposing German force during a WWI attack (Arras 1917).
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 13:52 GMT (UK) »
The Div. diary gives a blow by blow account but only mentions the German army as the enemy.
However it was the V1 Army that they fought.
They were split into 3 groups:
Souchez, Vimy & Arras.
Can't see at present who was in each group.
6th Army   
XXI Corps   
31st Division
42nd Division
I Bavarian Corps   
1st Bavarian Division
2nd Bavarian Division
II Bavarian Corps   
3rd Bavarian Division
4th Bavarian Division
III Bavarian Corps   
5th Bavarian Division
6th Bavarian Division
I Bavarian Reserve Corps   
1st Bavarian Reserve Division
5th Bavarian Reserve Division
Under direct Army command   
1st Bavarian Foot Artillery Brigade
6th Pioneer General
5th Bavarian Mixed Landwehr Brigade
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Identifying an opposing German force during a WWI attack (Arras 1917).
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 14:03 GMT (UK) »
From the above these are the only Div's. I can positively place
at the Battle of Arras:
1st. Reserve Div.
5th. Reserve Div.
3rd. Bavarian Div.
5th. Bavarian Div.
6th. Bavarian Div.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/


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Re: Identifying an opposing German force during a WWI attack (Arras 1917).
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 March 21 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the lookup, Jim! It gives me a place to start, at least.  :)

I've noticed that when it comes to the first world war there seems to be a lot less information available on the German side of things.

I'd assume it's likely cultural. I had an old work colleague tell me that they learnt basically nothing about WWI at school. It seemed to be a complete mystery to him.