HELP!! With which family to follow?!?!

[alillyston]

Reposting as the last thread fizzled out with no responses

The last 100% known relative I can prove linkable to myself is William Lillystone.

Records I have for him are:

- A death in 1899
- A marriage to Adeline Murray in 1865 with father listed as Thomas Lillystone
- Census record for 1841 shows parents as Thomas and Rebecca Lillystone
- Census record for 1871 and 1891 for William Lillystone with Adeline Lillystone

I also have records including:

- a death record for possible father Thomas Lillystone 1854
- a death record for possible mother Rebecca Lillystone in 1843

I am unable to find a birth record. Census records for 1851, 1861, and 1881 and I am unable to find a marriage for William's parents or any other information around them.

I have found other possible routes the records would point me but they don't match entirely to information from the records already gained from William.

Note - the surname Lillystone has been found in many variations and has changed over the years from what it was to what I now have so good luck 

So specifics I am looking for help with -

 - I am looking for a birth on William Lillystone. I have the death and census's that state age and circa birth.

- I am looking for the 1851 census that shows William Lillystone. The military information provided here by people is reason for him not showing in the 1861 census but I am unable to find the 1851 census with him in either.

- I am looking for William Lillystone's parents. According to the marriage certificate for William and Adeline the father for William is Thomas Lillystone.
According to the 1841 census when William was a child he was living with parents Thomas and Rebecca Lillystone.
I am unable to find a marriage for Thomas and Rebecca.

- I have a death for a Rebecca Lillystone that gives a birth estimate of 1799 which is 15 years after the birth estimate for Thomas Lillystone. I do not have an official birth for her either.

- The only births I can find for a Thomas Lillystone come from 1776 and 1780, which don't match up with the age of death on GRO. These also appear to be the same births to the same parents with different dates on them. All other information matches. (These births are posted at the end of the post)

- Lastly, now I am going back pre 1837 is there any tips people could give me to help a beginner

Thank you so much for any help that comes this way, following is all the information I already have. Hopefully this helps. Please ask if more is needed or anything!!

Adam Lillyston


Census's

 - 1841

William Lillystone
Gender:   Male
Birth:   Circa 1834
  Out of County
Residence:   1841
  James Street, Mile End Old Town, Lower, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England
Age:   7
Head (implied)   Thomas Lillystone   50 - 54
Wife (implied)   Rebecca Lillystone   40 - 44
Son (implied)   Thomas Lillystone   15 - 19
Daughter (implied)   Eliza Lillystone   12
Daughter (implied)   Rebecca Lillystone   9
Son (implied)   William Lillystone   7
Daughter (implied)   Mary Lillystone   4
Census
Parish   Stepney   Series   HO107   Family   3250
Township   Mile End Old Town, Lower   Piece   0713   Line   2
City   Tower Hamlets   Registrar's district   Mile End Old Town, Lower   Image   10
County   Middlesex   Superintendent registrar's district   Stepney     
Country   England   Enum. District   31     
Date   1841   Page   10\41


- 1871

William Lillystone
Gender:   Male
Birth:   Circa 1834
  Middlesex, England
Residence:   1871
  Allar's Road, Mile End Old Town, London-Middlesex, England
Age:   37
Head   William Lillystone   37
Wife   Adeline Lillystone   35
Son   John Lillystone   9
Son   William Lillystone   7
Daughter   Rebecca Lillystone   5
Son   Thomas Lillystone   4
Son   Fredrick Lillystone   2
Census
Ecclesiastical district   St Peter   Series   RG10   Family   75
Borough   Tower Hamlet's   Piece   0567   Line   22
Ward   NORTH   Registrar's district   Mile End Old Town Eastern   Image   14
County   London-Middlesex   Superintendent registrar's district   Mile End Old Town     
Country   England   Enum. District   50     
Date   1871   Page   108     



- 1881

Name:   
William Lillystones
Event Type:   
Census
Event Date:   
1881
Event Place:   
Mile End Old Town, London,Middlesex, England
Registration District:   
Mile End Old Town
Residence Note:   
Allars Road
Sex:   
Male
Age:   
48
Marital Status:   
Married
Marital Status (Original):   
Married
Occupation:   
Porter Railway
Birth Year (Estimated):   
1833
Birthplace:   
Mile End O Town, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household:   
Head
Page Number:   
19
Registration Number:   
RG11
Piece/Folio:   
480/46

William Lillystones   Head   Male   48   Mile End O Town, Middlesex, England
Adeline Lillystones   Wife   Female   46   Mile End O Town, Middlesex, England
William Lillystones   Son   Male   18   Mile End O Town, Middlesex, England
Tom Lillystones   Son   Male   14   Mile End O Town, Middlesex, England
Frank Lillystones   Son   Male   12   Mile End O Town, Middlesex, England
John Lillystones   Son   Male   5   Mile End O Town, Middlesex, England


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[alillyston]

- 1891

Name   Wm Lillystone
Gender   Male
Birth   Circa 1834
  Stepney, London
Residence   1891
  9 Shandy Str, Hamlet of Mile End Old Town, London, England
Age   57
Marital status   Married
Occupation   Printer Ot Provision Merchant
Employed   Yes
Inhabited   1
Number of rooms   4
Wife   Adeline Lillystone
Son   Fred Lillystone
Census
Urban district   Vestry of Mile End Old Town   Series   RG12
Parish   Hamlet of Mile End Old Town   Piece   308
Municipal ward   Vestry Centre   Enumerated by   Wm Geol Noble
Ecclesiastical district   St Dunstan Stepney   Enum. District   20
Parlamentary borough   Stepney   Page   69
Registration district   Mile End Old Town, Mile End Old Town Eastern   Family   101
County   London   Line   20
Country   England   Image   15
Date   1891     
Household

                                       
RELATION TO HEAD   NAME   AGE
Head   Wm Lillystone   57
Wife   Adeline Lillystone   55
Son   Fred Lillystone   21

- Marriage

Name   Adeline Murray & William Lillyston
Marriage   Dec 26 1865
  St. Thomas, Stepney, Middlesex, England
Wife   Adeline Murray
Father
John Murray
Husband   William Lillyston
Father
Thomas Lillyston
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   M00779-7
System Origin   England-EASy
GS Film number   597934
Reference ID   97-A


- Death

William Lillyston
Death date:   Oct-Nov-Dec 1899
Death place:   
  St George in The East, London, England
Birth date:   Circa 1834
Age:   65
Volume:   1c
Page:   264


LILLYSTONE, THOMAS       68
GRO Reference: 1854  D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN  Volume 01C  Page 215

   LILLYSTONE, REBECCA       44
GRO Reference: 1843  D Quarter in THE WEST LONDON UNION  Volume 02  Page 208


- Possible Thomas Lillystone births

Name:   
Thomas Lillystone
Event Type:   
Christening
Event Date:   
25 Feb 1776
Event Place:   
Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Event Place (Original):   
Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Sex:   
Male
Father's Name:   
Thomas Lillystone
Mother's Name:   
Elizabeth

Source Reference   Item 2
GS Film Number   924137
Digital Folder Number   007941498
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   P00983-1
System Origin   ODM


Name:   
Thomas Lillystone
Event Type:   
Christening
Event Date:   
6 Aug 1780
Event Place:   
Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Event Place (Original):   
Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Sex:   
Male
Father's Name:   
Thomas Lillystone
Mother's Name:   
Elizabeth


Source Reference   Item 2
GS Film Number   924137
Digital Folder Number   007941498
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   P00983-1
System Origin   ODM



I really appreciate any help. Thank you all!

Adam Lillyston

[Kiltaglassan]

See also this thread-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=845276.0

[rosie99]

It possibly was not answered as your post was long, lots of it being copy/pasted on here.  You may get a better response by making the post more concise.   

I would look at it but am about to finish on here today

[oldohiohome]

as mentioned on the other thread
1851 Census
possible sister Rebecca is a servant in Mile End Old Town, Stepney.says she was born in Stepney, Middlesex, England

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also 1851
is this his sister or a different Lillystone in Norfolk:
Eliza Lillystone, 20, [Lilliptone, according to ancestry], a dairymaid in Blofield, Norfolk, England. says she was born in Blofield
at 9 Church Road, in the household of Robert Goulder, "landed proprietor farming 340 acres" etc.

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if it is his sister, does that help you look for Wm's birth?

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That burial record of Thomas Lillystone, 10 Dec 1854, Stepney, age 68, at Ely Place, Bethnal Green, is non-conformist, at least according to ancestry. Image of cover of book says Non-parochial. ancestry says "Wesleyan."

Take a longer look at the images than I did and verify this and it might help people steer you in the right direction for William's birth and his parents' marriage.

[heywood]

You have mentioned a military record
Ancestry - Fold3 (pay site) shows
Pension admission
William Lillyston 26 yrs
Birthplace, Stepney, Middlesex
Pension Admission or Examination Date:19th November 1861
Regiment:   2nd Dragoons
Rank:Private

A similar entry for Service record

Find my Past index shows a similar service record.

There are published trees which show Thomas Lillystone and Jane Sunderland as spouses.
There is a marriage 1817 for this couple. Jane is a widow and Thomas is a Carter by occupation.
St James Paddington.

There is a birth - GRO
Mary Ann Lillystone 1837 Stepney with mmn Hogden.
Presumably this would be Rebecca.

[Jomot]

I have to agree, copying & pasting huge chunks from Ancestry etc isn’t helpful and simply puts people off.  Far better to manually type out just the relevant bits - and you won’t fall foul of copyright that way either.

FindMyPast has a note of an 1824 Poor Law Examination  at Westminster, St Martin-In-The-Fields for Thomas Lillystone aged 28 38 (born c1788).  There is no image, but the original is held at the City of Westminster Archives.  A wife Jane is mentioned, aged 40, and there are various workhouse records for her on Ancestry. 

As already mentioned, Thomas Lillystone married a widow named Jane Sunderland in 1817, Paddington.  I wonder if this is her:

1841 - Woodbridge Union Workhouse, Suffolk, Jane Lillingston aged 60. 
1851 - Suffolk Lunatic Asylum (Woodbridge), Jane Lillingstone aged 64, Soldiers Wife

I can't see her in 1861 but it looks like her death was registered in Q2 1862, Woodbridge Registration District.

If Thomas was still legally married to Jane then it explains the lack of marriage to Rebecca.

ADDED: The Workhouse records have her date of birth as varying between c1780-1786, and on one it says her settlement is Kirton, Suffolk, and that her husband is in receipt of a pension.  She was apparently notorious for disorderly conduct.

[Jomot]

Assuming Thomas was legally married to the Jane Lillingston(e) in the workhouse/asylum, whose husband was a soldier with a pension, then FindMyPast have some likely records for him, as Lillystone.  There are also campaign medals on Ancestry.

As far as I can make out, he attested into the Royal Horse Artillery in 1803 or 1805 & discharged & admitted to pension 1818 due to a rupture.  Born Falkingham (sic), Suffolk, and a Carpenter by trade, which isn’t hugely dissimilar to Sawyer, as per William’s marriage certificate.

ADDED: I think it must be him, as there is a pension return which confirms his regiment and the date admitted to pension, and gives his date of death as 26 Nov 1854 aged 68. 

[Jomot]

Just to add that Rebecca Jr died at the workhouse at Wapping and was buried 24 Aug 1853, aged 21.  Burial transcribed as Lilithstone.