Bastable Marriage

[SsGn]

Everyone researching him on Ancestry have got him down born around 1840 and married to Catherine Cahill. But the marriage found was 1853 and he died in 1827 so obviously wrong person. I saw a marriage record for a Catherine  Bastable married to Tim Horan but it was a very old record and in the 1700's

[heywood]

There are some very doubtful trees which mention Timothy Horan, Catherine Bastable and Catherine Cahill.

[SsGn]

On Ancestry?
Theyre all very doubtful. and the fact that one person seems to have a Horan bible plastered all over ancestry is also doubtful. I was talking to a relative of mine and she told me that another relative has the Horan bible too. None of us have a DNA match to any of these people on Ancestry but we all match people connected with Horans on Gedmatch.

[CaroleW]

So it really boils down to "what do you know for certain about either of them".

You presumably know he was Timothy Horan but I'm guessing you only have a christian name for his wife hence the Cahill/Bastable dilemma.

If he died in 1827 - how old was he?

Relate that age to a marriage in "the 1700's"  - is it feasible.

"We all match people connected with Horan's"  - is this specifically Timothy Horan or Horan's in general? 

[SsGn]

This is exactly what I am talking about.
I know that my 3x great grandmother was Mary Anne Horan born in 1809 her parents were Timothy Horan born 1778 in Portsea and died November 20th 1827 in Portsea and Hannah Evans. This Timothy Horan is on Find a grave.com But who are Timothy's parents? People on Ancestry have Timothy Horan who sailed from Rosscarberry to Portsmouth with his sons Timothy and David and daughter Mary Ann This Timothy is also on Find a grave and also died November 20th 1827.He was a captain of a vessel that traded between Rosscarberry and Portsmouth.

[heywood]

If those trees are wrong then, you would not be looking in Ireland. Is that right?

Bearing in mind that Timothy married as Horn/e according to his marriage record transcription, have you considered he might have been from a local family rather than the son of an Irish immigrant?

There are Timothy Horns in earlier years but there would seem to be a gap which would be around his birth.

Timothy b 1720 with father Timothy
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3FJ-8YF

Timothy born 1696 with father Simon (could he be father of Tim in 1720)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRF3-H4P

It might be best to ignore the ‘people in Ancestry’ who you seem to doubt.

Are those people the same ones who you have Gedmatch connections with but not Ancestry DNA connections?

[SsGn]

i am definately related to Horans in Castleisland the match has been confirmed as the lady knows her Horan family there. its the gap between them and Timothy born in 1778. The people on Ancestry who have the trees are not the same people on Gedmatch

[heywood]

People on Ancestry have Timothy Horan who sailed from Rosscarberry to Portsmouth with his sons Timothy and David and daughter Mary Ann This Timothy is also on Find a grave and also died November 20th 1827.

It looks as though the older Timothy has been added to that site with no reference to a grave. I don’t think he also died on the same date.

What relationship is shown between you and the Castleisland Horan lady?

[heywood]

I am sure you have been here already but Castleisland parish records are too late for 18th century records
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0661