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Offline mjwatts1960

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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #18 on: Friday 18 June 21 02:50 BST (UK) »
Re Christopher's profession. In his will he just states 'gentleman'.  However, the UK Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811 shows this entry for 1742:
 Christopher Gardiner son of Thomas apprenticed to  Daniel Burcombe, attorney of Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire.

There are some later entries from 1769 to 1791 for apprentices bound to Christopher Gardiner, attorney of Minchinhampton.
Fascinating!!! Galium thank you so very much! Another step forward or another generation backward in time! So Christopher's father was called Thomas!
Is it possible, because sometimes similar professions run in the family, that Thomas was an attorney as well????
The next big step is to find out Thomas Gardiner's birth or baptism and his father's name.
The Thomas Gardiner I have in my tree was born in 1683. Could this Thomas be the father of Christopher???
He would have been 39 or 40 when Christopher was born in 1722 or 1723.
Can you tell me now that we have found Elizabeth Gardiner do I need to start a new topic to search for Thomas Gardiner?

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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #19 on: Friday 18 June 21 03:03 BST (UK) »
? Family Search

Christopher GARDINER
christening date: 12 Jan 1725
Monmouth, Gloucestershire, England
Newchurch by Chepstow, Monmouth, England
Father's name: Tho. GARDINER

There is also : Christopher GARDINER - tree on Wikipedia - where he states

'I am trying to connect my Christopher Gardiner of Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire in the early 1700's with the Gardiners of Daylesford in the late 1600's.  I have letters between Christopher Gardiner and Warren Hastings who were cousins by the marriage of their ancestors William Gardiner and Anne Hastings in the early 1600's.'
Thank you Capetown!
The quotation beginning 'I am trying to connect...' was written by none other than me Matthew Watts.
The only problem with the date of baptism you provided is that it conflicts with the information in Christopher Gardiner's Will written in 1804 which stated he was in his 81st year which would put his date of birth at 1723 or 1722.
If this is the correct Christopher Gardiner and he was born in 1725 he would have been seventy nine in 1804 when he wrote his will. Please read copy of his will to verify age in 1804 when he wrote his Will. Thank you.

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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #20 on: Monday 21 June 21 21:16 BST (UK) »
If you Google

Christopher Gardiner and Warren Hastings

Letters are available to read - from Warren Hastings - one from Park Lane 14 Jan 7, 1792

Dear Sir,

I have taken a great liberty, for which I solicit your pardon in the first place, and Mrs Chance's in the second....... etc. etc..  talking about Mrs Chance to present to her daughter.....

Thank you Capetown
The avid genealogists in my fathers family have had printed copies of three letters between Christopher Gardiner (my great x5 grandfather) and Warren Hastings one dated 1792 and others in 1802 from Daylesford and 1808 from London for more than three generations but no one told me how important Warren Hastings was until I discovered it for myself.
I also have in my possession a miniature brass plate of Christopher's ancestor William Gardiner 1606 1632 who married Warren Hastings ancestor Anne Hastings daughter of Simon Hastings of Daylesford.

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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #21 on: Monday 21 June 21 21:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you Galium and Capetown for all your help researching Elizabeth Gardiner's family and helping discover her grandfather Thomas.
So Thomas Gardiner was the father of five surviving children according to Christopher Gardiners Will written in 1804 in his 81st year.
According to Galium Warren Hastings (1732-1818) was the son of a Penyston (other spellings also occur) Hastings. Pennyston Hastings married Priscilla Gardiner at Guiting Power, Gloucestershire 18 January 1703/4, and baptised a son of the same name there on 27 February 1704/5.

So Pennyston Hastings baptised 27 Feb 1704/5 married ? was the father of Warren Hastings. Right?

According to the information in my handwritten family tree
William Gardiner 1606 1632 married Ann Hastings daughter of Simon Hastings of Daylesford

William (son of William) 1632 1673 of Daylesford and Guiting Grange married Barbara Horde of Guiting Grange and Daylesford

William (son of William) 1655 1717 of Twining and Daylesford married Priscilla Freeman
and had
William b 23 Dec 1678
Priscilla b 5 Oct 1680
Thomas b 1683
Christopher b 18 Sept 1685
George b 1687
Harrye b 1690

Is Galium's Priscilla Gardiner who married Pennyston Hastings 18 January 1703/4 and the Priscilla Gardiner born 1680 daughter of William Gardiner and Priscilla in my family tree the same person or not?

How are Christopher Gardiner and Warren Hastings related exactly?

Who can help me figure this all out??


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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 12:51 BST (UK) »
I'm going off on a tangent from your main query, but on the assumption that it might eventually help tie things together...

The will of Christopher Gardiner son of William who died in 1713 mentions his sisters 'Hastings' and 'Freeman'.
Your list of baptisms of children of William and Priscilla Gardiner at Guiting Power only includes one daughter, Priscilla, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect that she is the woman who married Penyston Hastings.
But there has to be another sister, who married a man named Freeman.
I would suggest Barbara Gardiner, d/o Mr Gardiner (that is what the PR says) baptised 20 April 1682. 
I think this is her marriage at St Benet Paul's Wharf, London:

 20 October 1709 Kemmet Freeman of the Middle Temple, London and Barbara Gardiner of St Martin in the Fields, Mddx.

Kemmet and Barbara lived in London for a while, baptising a son, Kemmet at St Martin in the Fields on 27 December 1711, but later returned to Gloucestershire, baptising children at Twyning:

John b1714 d1714
Barbara b1716
John b1718
Priscilla b1720
Anna b1722

Kemmet Freeman was buried at Twyning in 1749.  The list of Oxford Univerity alumni has an entry for him which states that his father's name was Charles. So if this is accurate:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/130716/I24722/kemmet-freeman/individual

it seems possible that Charles Freeman was a brother of Priscilla Gardiner née Freeman.

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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 22 June 21 18:26 BST (UK) »
Thank you Galium for this extra information which is very interesting and expands my knowledge of the Gardiner family.
I would like to know more about the education and professions of the Gardiner family. They seem as if they were all moving in high circles.
Let me know if you find out anymore about Elizabeth, her father Christopher and grandfather Thomas and the possible connection to William and Priscilla Gardiners children stated before.
Thank you so much.
The link below shows Priscilla Gardiner (X2) marrying Pennyston Hastings (9) but shows the mother of Pennyston was Elizabeth Creswicke
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/genealogy/ODTs/HASTINGS.shtml#WINGFIELD7_1

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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 08 September 21 18:35 BST (UK) »
As you know who Elizabeth's parents are I'm not sure whether you already have this:

Minchinhampton - 4 August 1749  baptism of Elizabeth d/o Christopher and Elizabeth Gardner

Gloucestershire marriage licence allegation: 15 September 1748
                                                            Christopher Gardiner age 23 bachelor of Minchinhampton
                                                            Elizabeth Pool age 21 spinster of Minchinhampton
                                                            to marry at St Mary de Crypt [in Gloucester]

I want to request more information from Galium

Please send me the source link for the information you found for me above earlier this year. Thank you so much.

Matthew Watts

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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 08 September 21 18:46 BST (UK) »
Have found a link to a document at the National Archives naming many of the Gardiner family members in a court case

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10448276
Short title: Partheriche v Gardiner.

Document type: Bill and answer.

Plaintiffs: Edward Partheriche the elder, esq late of Alveston, Warwickshire now of Ely, Cambridgeshire.

Defendants: William Higford, Thomas Gardiner and Catherine Gardiner his wife, William Gardiner the son, Thomas Gardiner the son, Christopher Gardiner, Priscilla Gardiner, Harry Gardiner, Barbara Gardiner and Hannah Gardiner.

Date of bill (or first document): 1730

Can someone view this and explain what was going on in this case? Thank you.

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Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 08 September 21 20:14 BST (UK) »

I want to request more information from Galium

Please send me the source link for the information you found for me above earlier this year. Thank you so much.

Matthew Watts
Details of Gloucestershire marriage licences can be found on the Forest of Dean Family History Trust site in the resources section:
https://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/

You need to register, but it's all free.

I think the Gloucestershire Archives website also has transcriptions, but I haven't checked for that one.



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