Missing marriage? Llanbeblig - Winifred JONES and Richard JONES

[AngelFish]

Could anyone help me with the parents marriage please, before I potentially order the wrong certificate?

William JONES and Gwen WILLIAMS

... were living at Chapel Street, Carnarvon in Oct 1853 when their eldest child (Gwen) was baptised 19 Oct 1853 (Llanbeblig parish register).

The census says that Gwen was from Llanbeblig,
and William was from Llanwenllwyfo, Anglesey or Llangefni, Anglesey. I think that William was the son of John. I don't know Gwens parents.

A well known Ancestry website begining with 'A' has the images of the Llanbeblig marriage register but the 1853ish period is missing! It does have the banns book for the same parish but I can't see William JONES/Gwen WILLIAMS on it. I checked period 1850-1854.

Any suggestions please?

[DCB]

It might be worth contacting the local Register Office or Gwynedd Achives to see if they will check the certificate prior to ordering. It worked for me on one occasion.

From http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk, a marriage of William Jones and Gwen Williams took place at St Peblig in 1853.

From the date of Gwen's birth on the tree, a person matching her was living in Chapel Street in 1841 and 1851. Her parents were John, a mariner, and Ellin. However, there is another Gwen, daughter of John and Anne.

Ellin, of Smithfield (same as baptism of Jane), was buried on 14th January 1847 age 57.

WILLIAMS, JANE mmn OWEN 
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in CARNARVON UNION Volume 27 Page 294

Possible marriage of John and Ellin on 19 Aug 1822 in Llanbeblig and first baptism, of Ellin, on 26th October 1823

David

[AngelFish]

Thank you David!

[Gwil]

I don't know when either of them died. They were both on the 1911 census.

Do you mean Richard and Winifred or their children? Richard and Winifred Jones of Tyddyn Badin are buried at Pentir Non Denominational Cemetery.

[Gwil]

And their daughter Martha Winifred is buried in the plot next to them under her married name of Morris.

Details available if you want them.

[AngelFish]

And their daughter Martha Winifred is buried in the plot next to them under her married name of Morris.

Details available if you want them.

Yes please Gwil!
Thank you.

[Gwil]

Winifred, wife of Richard Jones, Tyddyn Badin died 11 11 1935 aged 70yrs.
Richard Jones died 1 4 1939 aged 70yrs.


Martha Winifred, wife of W H Morris, Tyddyn Badin died 17 3 1934 aged 26yrs.
William H Morris, Cefn Coch Farm, Deiniolen died 15 1 1956 aged 56.

Above details from the Monumental Inscriptions of Pentir Non Denominational Cemetery by Gwynedd Family History Society.


Llanddeiniolen Parish Church marriage records show marriage on 12 10 1932 of William Henry Morris, 34 yrs, Tal y Braich, Deiniolen, father David Morris and Martha Winifred Jones, 25yrs, Tyddyn Badin, father Richard Jones.

There are quite a few trees on Ancestry for Richard and Winifred etc. They suggest that Owen Rees Jones married in Warwickshire in June 1941 and died 1978. You'd need to study the trees and confirm the information though.

[AngelFish]

Thank you I appreciate that very much.

Don't worry I never copy trees in case they are wrong.

[Ladyhawk]

Richard Jones was born abt 1869 to William Jones and Gwen ??

Could anyone help me with the parents marriage please, before I potentially order the wrong certificate?

William JONES and Gwen WILLIAMS

... were living at Chapel Street, Carnarvon in Oct 1853 when their eldest child (Gwen) was baptised 19 Oct 1853 (Llanbeblig parish register).

The census says that Gwen was from Llanbeblig,
and William was from Llanwenllwyfo, Anglesey or Llangefni, Anglesey.

I think that William was the son of John. I don't know Gwens parents.

Any suggestions please?

Can I confirm that this is your JONES family on the 1861 & 1871 census?

1861 Piece: 4343 Folio:   13 Page Number:   1
address Rhosdican
William Jones   39 Llangefni, Anglesey, Farmer
Gwen Jones   30 Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire
Gwen Jones   7
JOHN Jones   5
Ellin Jones   3
Mary Jones   2
Catherine Jones   6/12
John Jones father   62
William Jones   14
ALL others born Llanbeblig

JOHN Jones Baptism  8 Jul 1855 Caernarvonshire, Wales
Father:   William , occ Farmer Mother: Gwen, abode Rhosdican

Llanbeblig is in the registration district for Carnarvon (FreeBMD)

Looking at GRO indexes there are 7 JOHN JONES births registered in Sept qtr. Carnarvon 1855
2 mmn Blanks,
3 mmn JONES,
1 mmn ROBERTS,
1 mmn GRIFFITHS

The 1853 Baptism mentioned for Gwen Jones abode  Castle Street
father William his occupation is a  Labourer

GRO indexes name transcribed as GOVAN Jones mmn WILLIAMS
Dec qtr. 1853 Carnarvon, FreeBMD as GWEN

GRO indexes also has this entry same mmn as one of the birth entries for John Jones 1855

JONES, GWEN    mmn ROBERTS  1853 M Quarter in CARNARVON  Volume 11B  Page 465

1871 census  Piece:   5720 Folio: 45 Page Number:   1
address Rhos Dican

William Jones   48
Gwen Jones   42
Gwen Jones   18
Ellen Jones   15
Mary Jones   13
Kate Jones           11
William Jones   8
Eliza Jones   6
Richard Jones   3
Owen Jones   3
Edward Jones   6 Months

1881 Piece:   5569 Folio:   24 Page Number:   1
address Rhosdican
William Jones   58 Farmer
Gwen Jones   51
John Jones   25
Mary Jones   22
Cathrine Jones   20
William Jones   17
Richard Jones   12
Owen Jones   12
Edward Jones   10
Annie J. Jones   6

possible birth entry

JONES, ANN  JANE  mmn   ROBERTS 
1876  D Quarter in CARNARVON  Volume 11B  Page 451

Annie Jane Jones age 21, Rhosdican, father William occ Farmer
married on 2 Jul 1895 Parish Church of Llanbeblig Caernarvonshire, Wales
Spouse:   Joseph Briggs H(K)itching 22, French Polisher father Richard Guy Kitching, deceased
witness Richard Jones & ELizabeth Evans

EDIT to add

Ellen Jones age 25, Rhosdican,father William, occ Farmer
married on 20 Dec 1881 at Parish Church Llanbeblig
Spouse:   John Hughes Jones 30, Master Mariner , father Robert

Gwen Jones age 28, Rhosdican, Llanbeblig father William, occ Farmer
married on 21 Dec 1881 at Parish Church Llanbeblig
Spouse:   David Thomas Roberts 32, Master Mariner father Robert

Catherine Jones age 28, abode Rhos Dican,
Burial 21 Sep 1888 Caernarvonshire, Wales