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The ancestors of Ann Miller
« on: Tuesday 15 June 21 11:33 BST (UK) »
Hi

On 23 Feb 1854 in Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham Luke Gibson married Ann Miller. Anns father is listed as Robert Miller and Lukes father as George Gibson.

I have Ann in the 1861,71,81 and 91 censuses. Ann says shes from Sunderland, Durham

I cant definitely work out which is the correct Ann in the 1841 census to find her mother. Ive tentatively put in her parents as Robert Miller and Mary Scott to see if the records support that. In the 1851 census Robert and Mary have multiple children living with them but no Ann although they married in 1827 at St Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England.

There is an Ann Miller in the 1841 census age 10 living with Robert Miller and Mary. Robert was a mason. In the later censuses he was also a mason.

I wondered if Ann was sent off to work in the 1851 census assuming the 1841 census info is correct. IN 1851 there is an Ann Miller, Age:   18, Estimated Birth Year:   1833, Relation:   Servant
Gender:   Female, Where born:   Gateshead, Durham, England, Civil parish:   Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish:   St John.

Ive tentatively put Marys parents as William Scott and Ann Richardson who married in 1800 although there are multiple baptisms before this date or two couples with the same names. William and Ann has a child named Thomasin. Robert Miller and Mary Scott had a child named Thomasan. I dont know if thats a good link or not

As far as the right Robert Miller theres multiple to choose from

Birth   
8 Oct 1809
Baptism   
25 Mar 1810 Sunderland,Durham,England
Parents David Miller and Ann Wilson

Birth   
5 May 1807
Baptism   
22 Mar 1808 Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Parents Jonathan Miller and Mary Miller

Birth   
20 Jun 1806
Baptism   
31 Aug 1806 South Shields,Durham,England
Parents Joseph Miller and Ann Jewitt

Birth   
27 Jun 1805
Baptism   
16 Sep 1806 Sunderland,Durham,England
Parents Robert Miller and Ann Beadland

Any help would be appreciated!
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Re: The ancestors of Ann Miller
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 June 21 06:37 BST (UK) »
Hi

Do you have the actual Marriage cert of Luke and Ann, to be able to see what Robert Miller's occupation was, who the witness were, and what address she gave?

I see Ann's age in the Census after her marriage are pretty consistent, b abt 1831.

At the age of 20 in 1851 therefore,  rather than being "sent off" to work, it would more likely to be as a matter of course, that she was in Service somewhere.

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Re: The ancestors of Ann Miller
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 June 21 08:14 BST (UK) »
When did Robert Miller die?
There is this one
March 1885 Sunderland 10a 378
Miller, Robert   
age 77   

Probate for him, a will.
Late of Gibson's Alms-houses Bishopwearmouth, died 19 Feb 1885
Proved at Durham by Robert Gibson of 14 Havelock-terrace Gateshead, Merchant's Clerk, the Grandson, one of the Executors.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=miller&yearOfDeath=1885&page=12#calendar

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Re: The ancestors of Ann Miller
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 June 21 08:18 BST (UK) »
1871 census has Robert Gibson, 16, Merchants Clerk, son of Luke and Ann
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZJ-NPT

GIBSON, ROBERT       
Mother's Maiden Surname: MILLER 
GRO Reference: 1855  M Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 342


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Re: The ancestors of Ann Miller
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 June 21 08:30 BST (UK) »
Burial at Bishopwearmouth Cemetery, 22 Feb 1885
Robert Miller, Mason, age 77. Death occurred Alms Houses.
Gives grave reference.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-494G-C?

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Re: The ancestors of Ann Miller
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 June 21 09:11 BST (UK) »
though they married in 1827 at St Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland

BT on FamilySearch. Sadly the witnesses don't seem to be helpful.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SW3-F4T


As far as the right Robert Miller theres multiple to choose from

Another candidate for the list (sorry!)
Robert Millar, baptized 28 July 1807 at Sunderland.
Born 26 Aug 1806
Parents William and Elizabeth (nee Wilson)
BT here (Robt)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCW9-HTZ

William seems to have been a mariner and a daughter Elizabeth was buried same day, age 3
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCW9-4BY

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Re: The ancestors of Ann Miller
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 June 21 09:48 BST (UK) »
FindMyPast baptisms (transcripts only)

Baptismal Place - St Michael and All Angels, Bishopwearmouth, Durham
Parents - Robert Miller, a mason, and Mary
William, 1829, Ann 1830, Elizabeth 1833, Mary Jane 1835, Isabel 1837, Thomasine 1839, William 1840

On the 1841 Census both Robert and Mary were "born in County" ie. Durham and confirmed in the '51 Census.

So, why in 1827 would they have crossed over to Northumberland to marry?

As already said, you need Robert Miller's occupation on Ann's 1854 marriage cert (if present, of course).

If

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Re: The ancestors of Ann Miller
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 June 21 10:02 BST (UK) »
Ive tentatively put Marys parents as William Scott and Ann Richardson who married in 1800 although there are multiple baptisms before this date or two couples with the same names. William and Ann has a child named Thomasin. Robert Miller and Mary Scott had a child named Thomasan. I dont know if thats a good link or not

In the Miller household in 1841 is Eliza Collins, 8, Not Born County
Could this be her? :-\
Baptism, 7 Dec 1832, St Mary, Hull, Yorkshire
Eliza Collins
Parents William + Thomasin
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR79-P7H

Marriage at Bishopwearmouth, 11 April 1821
William Collins + Thomasin(e) Scott
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3SW-S95Q-3

Marriage was by licence.
Allegation and bond on FamilySearch, two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QCQ-F8P

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Re: The ancestors of Ann Miller
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 June 21 10:08 BST (UK) »
So, why in 1827 would they have crossed over to Northumberland to marry?

Loads of people in the north east married in Newcastle.

As already said, you need Robert Miller's occupation on Ann's 1854 marriage cert (if present, of course)

Well, yes. But have you read  Replies #2, #3, and #4.
The will of Robert Miller proved in 1885 will only cost £1.50. Could be worth it!