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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 22:56 BST (UK) »
What got me looking for John's first marriage was the adopted child showing with Bridget in 1891:

1891 census at same address

Household Members   Age   Relationship
Hugh Cairns   59   Head
Bridget Duff 54   Housekeeper
Mary A Thomson 1   Adopted Daur (Adopted)

There is this birth which I thought could fit:

MARY ANN BLACK THOMSON
1889
644/2 1395
Camlachie

So, following mother's death in 1889, baby went to live with her maternal grandmother, Bridget Thomson and shows with her in 1891.

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 23:20 BST (UK) »
So, for my sake! A brief summary of what we have from this evening.

Bridget Thomson born in  Ireland, came over to the Glasgow area with parents Andrew and Margaret. She married a George Duff in Glasgow in 1862. She also had a daughter that year with George Duff. No more children showing for them. Not clear whether George Duff died or abandoned her with child.

In 1868, Bridget gave birth to John Thomson at Barkhill Workhouse (you have this cert).

1871, Bridget is with her parents and sister Mary. Also with her are Susan Duff, daughter, and son John Kennedy. We can normally assume from this that reputed father was also a Kennedy (maybe even a John Kennedy?).

1881, she is showing as housekeeper (Bridget Duff, widowed) in the household of a Hugh Cairns. With her is son John Thomson.

1888, John married a Mary Ann Black. She died the following year. A daughter, also Mary Ann, born in 1889. Toddler Mary Ann showing as adopted daughter and living with maternal grandmother in 1891.

We haven't found John in 1891 census before he married.

He married Charlotte Campbell in August 1891, showing as widowed.

We haven't found John Thomson in 1901 or 1911. Charlotte has been found in 1911, no sign of John in the household but with her are five children. The children are those born from 1901 to 1910. They sadly lost 6 children over the years.

Have you found John's death reg? Sancti looks to have found Charlotte's (not sure if you had this already).

Monica

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #56 on: Thursday 17 June 21 00:05 BST (UK) »
Just a couple of other bits of info, before I close the tabs.

Charlotte was at home with father Thomas before her marriage:

Thomas Campbell 55  Agricultural Labourer b. Ireland
Margaret Campbell 21 Cotton Mill Worker  b. Rutherglen
Charlotte Campbell 18 Cotton Mill Worker  b. Rutherglen
Thomas Campbell 14  Cotton Mill Worker  b. Rutherglen

Address: 103 Carstairs St, Glasgow/ Bridgeton

The address you have for John M S Thomson's  birth on 9 April 1901 was 43 Reid Street. Charlotte's brother Samuel, wife Mary and children are showing at this address in 1901. So, Charlotte went there to give birth. The census in 1901 was on 1 April. Charlotte does not show with brother and family so John and her are still AWOL that year.

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #57 on: Thursday 17 June 21 07:51 BST (UK) »
Only possible death I can see for their children is this one

THOMSON
THOMAS
0
Mother's name CAMPBELL
1900
644/2 183
Camlachie


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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #58 on: Thursday 17 June 21 08:43 BST (UK) »
John Thomson registered the birth of Charlotte Campbell Thomson 1910


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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #59 on: Thursday 17 June 21 08:54 BST (UK) »
There are 2 John Thomson's registered at Great Eastern Road on 1905 V.R.'s

THOMSON
JOHN
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 227 GREAT EASTERN ROAD
GLASGOW
1905


THOMSON
JOHN
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 487 GREAT EASTERN ROAD
GLASGOW
1905

On the 1911 census, Charlotte is recorded as Head, living at 401 Great Eastern Road


1915 V.R.'s again have 2 John Thomson's

THOMSON
JOHN
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 504 GREAT EASTERN ROAD
GLASGOW
1915

THOMSON
JOHN
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 227 GREAT EASTERN ROAD
GLASGOW
1915

1920 has this record

THOMSON
CHARLOTTE
MRS
Tenant
HOUSE 105 CUMBERLAND STREET CALTON
GLASGOW
1920

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #60 on: Thursday 17 June 21 09:10 BST (UK) »
John Miller Scott Thomson  b 9 april 1901 married Lavinin French Armstrong 18 July 1919

Was his father recorded as still alive on the marriage record?

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #61 on: Thursday 17 June 21 09:50 BST (UK) »
John his father was recorded as deceased
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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #62 on: Thursday 17 June 21 10:15 BST (UK) »
There is a possible death for John Thomson in Calton 1919 of the right age. Unfortunately he died in a Lodging House and no details were known by Superintendent.