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Mary Ann Knowler
« on: Monday 21 June 21 11:22 BST (UK) »
I have  Mary Ann Knowler, believed born 1832 in Chilham, Kent in my family tree. However I am thoroughly confused as she seems to have married one of my ancestors, George William Frampton, born 1843 in Stone Kent, twice. Once as Mary Ann Knowler in 1865 and again as Mary Ann Andrews in 1873. Its driving me mad! Any help would be much appreciated.
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Re: Re: Knowler family
« Reply #1 on: Monday 21 June 21 13:21 BST (UK) »
From freebmd, both entries showing as Andrews

Marriage Dec qtr 1865   
Andrews    Mary Ann       
Frampton    George William       
E Ashford    2a   1139

Marriage Mar qtr 1873 
ANDREWS    Mary Ann       
FRAMPTON    George William       
E Ashford    2a   829

The 1865 marriage at Smeeth names her father as Stephen Andrews.  There is no mention of any other surname on the marriage certificate and they are listed as bachelor & spinster

The second marriage has George William Frampton age 30 as a widower and Mary Ann Williams age 40 as a widow with father Edward Knowler
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Re: Re: Knowler family
« Reply #2 on: Monday 21 June 21 13:36 BST (UK) »
Its all very confusing. On the 1865 marriage her father is given as Stephen Andrews and in 1873 Edward Knowler. I am getting something wrong!
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Re: Re: Knowler family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 21 June 21 13:36 BST (UK) »
1871 census has George as a widower with children Bertha & William

FRAMPTON, BERTHA       mmn ANDREWS 
GRO Reference: 1866  D Quarter in TENTERDEN  Volume 02A  Page 613

 FRAMPTON, WILLIAM  GEORGE     mmn ANDREWS 
GRO Reference: 1868  J Quarter in ROMNEY MARSH  Volume 02A  Page 891

Death of Mary Ann
Deaths Jun qtr 1868   
Frampton    Mary Ann    age 26   
Romney M.    2a   479
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Re: Re: Knowler family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 June 21 13:37 BST (UK) »
Its all very confusing. On the 1865 marriage her father is given as Stephen Andrews and in 1873 Edward Knowler. I am getting something wrong!

It looks like they are two different women  :)
Marriages Dec qtr 1856 
Andrews    George       
Knowler    Mary Ann       
E. Ashford    2a   906   
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Re: Re: Knowler family
« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 June 21 13:41 BST (UK) »
Mary Ann Knowler - father Edward Knowler married George Andrews at Chilham 19 October 1856

George Andrews father was also Stephen Andrews so presumably George was the brother of the Mary Ann Frampton (nee Andrews) who died
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Re: Re: Knowler family
« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 June 21 13:44 BST (UK) »
I have  Mary Ann Knowler, believed born 1832 in Chilham, Kent in my family tree. However I am thoroughly confused as she seems to have married one of my ancestors, George William Frampton, born 1843 in Stone Kent, twice. Once as Mary Ann Knowler in 1865 and again as Mary Ann Andrews in 1873. Its driving me mad! Any help would be much appreciated.

That is a puzzle. Have you tried the newspapers? Rosie99 mentions in her post that in the 1865 marriage Mary Ann is refered to as being an "Andrews" and her father was named as Stephen Andrews but in the 1873, as Rosie99 points out, she is "Mary Ann Williams widow" and her father is named as Edward Knowler.

It looks like there may be two men named George William Frampton who both married women named Mary Ann. One marrying Mary Ann Andrews [spinster] in 1865 and one marrying Mary Ann Williams [widow] daughter of Edward Knowler in 1873.

The last post by Rosie99 shows that there's a death in 1868 for Mary Ann Frampton age 26. That makes her born c1842 but more importantly it means that the two marriages must refer to different people. Mary Ann Andrews married George William Frampton in 1865 but died in 1868. Then in 1873 George William Frampton [now a widower] married another woman named Mary Ann who was named Mary Ann Williams but was a widow, and whose maiden name was Knowler. It's possible both Mary's were about the same age hence the confusion.

I see Rosie99 has been busy with her replies too  :) so I will stop here myself  ;)

Hope you are able to sort this out.

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Re: Re: Knowler family
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 June 21 13:45 BST (UK) »
Death Mar qtr 1867   
Andrews    George   age 34   
E. Ashford    2a   412
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Re: Re: Knowler family
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 June 21 13:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone. That has helped a lot. Both are definitely the same George William Frampton so it must just be an incredible coincidence that he married two Mary Ann Andrews!
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