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Offline sunnylew

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Help with Latin property description
« on: Wednesday 23 June 21 01:11 BST (UK) »
Hi guys,

I was hoping somebody could help me with a mystery word used in describing a particular property.

The bit I have trouble with is:

"unam p[ar]tem cujusdum domus & terr ad inde specta sur & existen in villa de Hethersett"

"Specta" is throwing me, as I can only find translations to do with looking and watching.

Is this "1 part of a certain house and land looking on and being in the town of Hethersett?"

Or could it be, "with a view from the side of and being in the town of Hethersett"?

The full page can be seen here:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR99-JRV?cat=416138

Any help would be truly appreciated.

Cheers,

Lewis
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Re: Help with Latin property description
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 09:51 BST (UK) »
The word is (a contracted form of) spectantem, which, when used of places, can have the meaning of looking towards, or lying towards.

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Re: Help with Latin property description
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 11:04 BST (UK) »
" ...one part of each house and land thereunto looking, lying and being in the town of Hethersett"

I'm assuming that the word after spectantem is Iacentem, but I'm not certain of that.

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Re: Help with Latin property description
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 12:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks Watson,

It makes more sense that being Iacentum than sur.

I'm still not really sure what they are saying here though:

Does it look to be part of the town of Hethersett i.e. is in some grey border area

Or is the land on the side of the house that faces the main part of the town?
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Re: Help with Latin property description
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 13:26 BST (UK) »
I'm still not really sure what they are saying here though:

May I suggest that the land is facing the house, and the whole property is lying and being in the town of Hethersett.

Also, I believe it is ‘a certain house’ (Cujusdam), rather than ‘each house’. I think there's only one.

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Re: Help with Latin property description
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 June 21 13:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Bookbox.  I was just about to correct "each" to "a certain".  I had taken it as cuiusdem, but cuiusdam makes much better sense.

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Re: Help with Latin property description
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 June 21 23:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks again guys.

I find it so hard to fill in the missing blanks, and when google latin-english translation is my best friend, it can't help with missing pieces.

But the endings of words leaves me totally lost, and there's so much detail and context there.

This really helps. The potential that it was "looking at Hethersett" had me wondering if this particular building was one described elsewhere as on the western edge of Hethersett near the great common.

Instead its being descriptive, which is always good. I suppose that in facing the house, the land could be extending out from the front of the house, as opposed to extending behind it.
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Re: Help with Latin property description
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 June 21 08:51 BST (UK) »
I suppose that in facing the house, the land could be extending out from the front of the house, as opposed to extending behind it.

That certainly sounds feasible. But without any directions or bearings in this piece, it's hard to say.