David Herd - went to Australia and then onto New Zealand

[Lauraine]

My 3x great grandfather Archibald Herd/Hird 1800-1880,  had a brother called James Blair Herd, 1798-1879, whose two sons, David and Alexander, went to Australia and on to New Zealand where they settled.  David married a girl called Hellen or Helen in Scotland and they travelled on the Ticonderoga with a small baby.  Must have been very difficult.  Anyways she died at age 14 in New Zealand.  What I am trying to find out is just where in Scotland they sailed from or at least where they were living in Scotland?  Believe they left Scotland in 1850's.

Can anyone help me out?  I live in Canada so the research in New Zealand is coming from other people.

 It seems there was another David Herd who travelled to New Zealand and trying to see where he fits in - if at all - with my family.

[sparrett]

Hi
Liverpool is the departure from UK  if I have the right family.
How they went to Liverpool  can't say.
With Helen were David and Margaret HERD

 
Other details are available if needed.

Helen HERD
Nationality Scottish
Arrival Age 23
Birth Date abt 1829
Departure Place Liverpool
Arrival Date22 Dec 1852
Arrival Place Melbourne and Victoria, Australia
Ship Ticonderoga

Sue

ADDING
HERD
Native County for David , Helen and Margaret is an abbreviation for Forfarshire maybe Forfash
And for James, Elizabeth and Isabella looks like is Fife.

Sue

[sparrett]

Here is the next part of their journey to New Zealand.

Mrs HERD born   1831   
D HERD born 1828
Margt HERD born 1852

Dec 1854
To NELSON AND WELLINGTON N.Z.
Per MARCHIONESS

Sue

[mckha489]

Passengers

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18541230.2.10.1?end_date=31-12-1855&items_per_page=10&query=Herd+marchioness&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839

A lot of the New Zealand records are free to search in line.
Papers past (in above link) often has surprising  information

[mckha489]

I wonder if any of these births are the same family

1858/72   Herd   Elizabeth   Helen   David   
1864/21297   Herd   Georgina Isabel   Helen   David A. **.
1860/9432   Herd   David James   Helen   David

1862/4420   Herd   Hellen   Hellen   David   
1865/13198   Herd   William Henry   Hellen   David   
1868/20381   Herd   Alexander Palmer   Hellen   David @@
1874/26824   Herd   Arthur Penrose   Hellen   David @@

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dBirthSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults


Added.
But see reply 11.. Re Tuapeka David

**. Think this is probably a Tuapeka one but the rest Blenheim one
However I haven’t checked properly

@@ are definitely Blenheim
Also, they had a daughter named Ann who married John Black

[mckha489]

A native of Dundee.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX19050621.2.24?end_date=31-12-1905&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=David+herd&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA.rev&start_date=01-01-1905&title=MDTIM%2cMEX%2cMPRESS%2cPGAMA


His will

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE63432250

His death printout. 1905/5324   Herd   David   75Y

Should give you the following information

Deceased

When and where died
Name and surname
Rank or profession or occupation
Sex and Age
Detail of Death

Cause of death
Duration of last illness
Medical attendant who certified the cause of death and when they last saw the deceased
Parents

Name and Surname of father
Name and if known maiden surname of mother
Rank or profession or occupation of father
Burial Details

When and where buried
Name and Religion of Minister or name of witness of burial
Birth Details

Where born
How long in New Zealand
Marriage Details

Where married
At what age married
Children
If living issue, the number, age and sex
To whom married
Informant

Signature, description and residence of informant
If the entry is a correction of a former entry signature of witnesses
Who witnessed the correction.
Registrar

Signature of registrar
Date of registration

[mckha489]

As far as I can make out so far

This David Herd is in the Marlborough region (top east of South Island)

The other David Herd seems to be at Tuapeka.  Lower East South Island.

[mckha489]

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE64270575

Will for Helen

Her death

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX19091112.2.14?end_date=31-12-1909&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=herd+&snippet=true&start_date=01-11-1909&title=MDTIM%2cMEX%2cMPRESS%2cPGAMA

[MonicaL]

I think this might be David and Helen's daughter Margaret's birth or christening entry in the OPRs:

Margaret HERD
Parents DAVID HERD/MILLA KIDD
Date 25/01/1852
282/200 74
Dundee

Helen is showing as Helen Kidd in some family details. Not sure if the above is a mistranscription on the Scotlands People index and the original image would show something different (or the same!).

Monica