Warren in Rickinghall (Baptism)

[jdaines89]

Hi, thanks to everyone who helped with my previous lookups, it's been a great help and I appreciate your time and effort to assist me. I have yet another request i would like to make, only because I am truly stuck and want your opinions/help

I am looking for a baptism for James Warren born circa 1804 in Rickinghall (according to census data).

Information I have:
1825: married Mary Ann Martin in Finningham, Suffolk.
1841: Stowupland: Farmer born Suffolk. Born 1806
1851: Kersey, Cosford: Farmer born Rickinghall. Born 1804
1861: Hockley, Essex: Farmer born Rickinghall. (Recorded as John, but definitely him) Born 1804
1871: Married Eliza Suckling in Hockley, Essex Born 1804
1871: Hockley, Essex: Farmer born Rickinghall. Born 1804
1878: died 1878 Southend, Essex. Born 1804

Possible children as per census (1841 census does not list relationship to head of household):

-Ruth Warren born 1826 baptized in Non-conformist church in Wattisfield
-Anthony Warren born 1828
-Catherine Warren born 1829
-Susan Warren born 1831 Willisham
-Walter Warren born 1833 Willisham
-James Warren born 1835  Whatfield
-Anastasia Warren (Anna) born 1837 Rickinghall
-Mary Ann Warren born 1840 Stowupland

Note: I ordered Anastasia's Birth certificate from GRO a while back and it listed her place of birth as Walsham le Willows, however on the census, it lists Rickinghall as her place of birth.

From the census in 1851, I believe it says father next to Issachar Warren's name. The Issachar referred to, was born 1778 in Great Ashfield to James and Mary Warren. He is listed as widowed and was a yeoman. I believe he married an Ann Daines in Cotton, Suffolk in 1803. This could mean that James b1804 was their first child. I found Issachar in the 1841 census listed with Ann b1786 and a John Warren b1816. I was able to find a baptism for this John in Rickinghall to these parents in 1816. I also found a Mary Ann b1807 and a John b1809 d1811 in Rickinghall Inferior, who were children of Issachar and Ann Daines

Issachar died in 1863 in Rickinghall Inferior (born 1778 so it is him), but I can't find him in the 1861 census, which is frustrating...

I have ordered James Warrens will from 1878, so hopefully that might help if it lists siblings or nieces/nephews, but it will be still be a few weeks.

So please, if anyone has any ideas, I'll be most grateful to hear them. I do believe Issachar is James' s father but I just can't find a baptism to prove it and I have the transcripts for Rick Inf from 1800-1810 but didn't find anything for him. This makes me think that they were living somewhere else for the possible period 1803-1807, but he is very consistent in the censuses in saying he was born in Rickinghall, so I am stumped.

[CaroleW]

1871 marriage cert will show his fathers name & occupation.  Are you sure you have the right marriage?  This entry shows father as James & also shows James the groom as single?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:78BF-KZW2

[jdaines89]

Hi, this is all it shows on FindMyPast:


First name(s)   James
Last name   Warren
Event type   Banns
Banns year   1871
Spouse's first name(s)   Eliza
Spouse's last name   Suckling
County   Essex
Country   England
Place   Hockley
Residence   Hockley
Spouse's marital status   S
Spouse's residence   Hockley
Archive   Essex Record Office
Archive reference   D/P 191/1/4
Record set   Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935
Category   Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory   Parish Marriages
Collections from   England, Great Britain


Note that there is another James Warren (seemingly unrelated) that marries an Eliza Suckling in 1871 in Hockley, where her father's name is given as Charles Suckling and his as James. However I found the census records for these two and they are much younger and he is from Wickham St Pauls.

[jdaines89]

James' wife Mary Ann died in 1863 in Hockley, Essex. After which, he appears in the same household,  Plumbro Mount, with Eliza who is about 50. And he is born 1804 in Rickinghall, so I am sure this is the right one.

[CaroleW]

Your opening post says he married Eliza Suckling in 1871 yet your reply says it’s a different James? 

I doubt that 2 males both called James Warren married 2 females both called Eliza Suckling in 1871 in Hockley

Your James would have been 67 at the time. 

[jdaines89]

Your opening post says he married Eliza Suckling in 1871 yet your reply says it’s a different James? 

I doubt that 2 males both called James Warren married 2 females both called Eliza Suckling in 1871 in Hockley

Your James would have been 67 at the time.

Hmm okay, I said it because there were two entries on FindMyPast, but with different info, however only one gives the full date so I can't see if they are different or just entered twice. This is the census for 1871:

First name(s)   Last name   Relationship   Marital status   Sex   Age   Birth year   Occupation   Birth place
James   Warren   Head   -   Male   67   1804   -   Suffolk, England
Eliza   Warren   Wife   -   Female   50   1821   -   Somerset, England
Sarah   Marven   -   -   Female   21   1850   -   Essex, England

Looking for any other marriages for a James Warren and an Eliza now.

[jdaines89]

The marriage would need to be between 1863 and 1871

[CaroleW]

1864 marriage to Eliza Moss in Essex but as she was b Somerset also one in 1865 Somerset to Eliza Edwards

EDIT - FORGET THE ONE TO ELIZA MOSS - HE WAS SINGLE

1865 - 1871 shows Eliza b Yeovil??

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPCL-F5ZM

James will may provide some info when it arrives

[jdaines89]

Okay, I'll wait for the will to possibly help with marriage. Any thoughts on the baptism?