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Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« on: Wednesday 18 August 21 10:25 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have a fair part done researching Scotts of Garvagh/Kilrea/Swatragh.  The branch i am working on now is the family of Charles Scott born 1866, who resided between Garvagh and Swatragh in the late 1900s.  Charles marrried twice, his first wife was McCullough with whom he raised a large family.  After her death he remarried to Eliz Smyth and they had a son John Smyth Scott 1909.  We do know the son William went to S Africa, Lewis and Hugh went abroad and returned. Others may have stayed overseas, or returned, we just don't know. We are told leaving date was circa 1920 and Hugh at least back within five or six years.  I am looking info on the marriages, if any and the burials of Charles junior, Archy (Archibold), Hugh and John Smyth Scott, I think I can account for the sisters who went to NZ and Lewis who appears with Archibold in 1937 as chief mourners at the Father Charles' funeral in Main Street Pres. Garvagh - I know ladies would not have been named as such in any case, and he was buried from Lewis' home near Stewartstown. We always knew hot weather made Charles senior ill and he had to come back to NI.   However Archibold if he was the only surviving or remaining in NI son except Lewis is elusive. Any info on the sons gratefully received.  Also interested in Scott of Moyletra who were cousins of these on some level.
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Re: Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 August 21 10:36 BST (UK) »
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Re: Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 August 21 13:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Scotmum, hadn't realised it had not gone there. Done.
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Re: Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 18 August 21 20:13 BST (UK) »
Charles Scott married first Martha Jane McCullagh in 1895. Eldest child-
1. Charles John Scott (3 Aug.1896 Culnagrew-28 Feb.1919 Ballylame: pulmonary tuberculosis, 6 mo.).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02165/1820610.pdf
Bapt. 31 Jan.1897 Swatragh Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05165/4424611.pdf
Northern Constitution, 1 March 1919, p.5: Scott- At his father's residence, Ballylame, Garvagh, on the 28th February, 1919, Chas., eldest and dearly-beloved son of Charles Scott, aged 22 years and 6 months... Inserted by his father, mother, brothers and sisters.
Northern Constitution, 8 Mar.1919: With Mr. Charles Scott, Ballylame, and his family there is widespread sympathy in the death of his eldest son Charles, which occurred on Friday last, after a short illness. Deceased was a bright, intelligent young man, and took a keen interest in farming. He was ever willing to do a neighbour a good turn. The news of his early death has caused deep regret among all creeds and classes, and with his sorrow-stricken parents and family there is deep sympathy. The funeral on Monday to the burying-ground attached to Main Street Presbyterian Church was of large dimensions. Rev. S.B. Thomson, B.A., conducted the funeral services. The coffin was yellow, with solid brass mountings, supplied by Mr. Paul, The Shopping Centre, Garvagh.


Next child-
2. Archibald “Archie” Scott (2 Mar.1898 Culnagrew-Oct.1994) m. Geraldine (c1905-Mar.1981).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02099/1799968.pdf (McCullock)
? Bapt. Jan.1899 Swatragh Presbyterian Church.
Buried at Agherton Cemetery, Portstewart.

Fifth child-
5. William J. “Willie” Scott (15 June 1902 Ballynian-d.Cape Town, South Africa) m.1 ___- 1 son; m.2 Molly (b.Northern Ireland).
Birth: mother McCullock.
Bapt. 15 Nov.1902 Swatragh Presbyterian Church. He emigrated to the warmer climate of South Africa at the age of 17 suffering from tuberculosis, became an agent for Singer Sewing Machines and lived in Cape Town. 1960- Johannesburg.
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Re: Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 18 August 21 20:30 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Aghadowey never would have dreamed that Archie was living so close by.  Now we only have to account for Hugh, and nearly every branch of the family had a Hugh!
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Re: Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 August 21 23:04 BST (UK) »
Just found out tonight the youngest was James Smyth Scott, not John Smyth Scott. On the obit for Charles 1937 he is listed as having nephews Hugh and James, and I have identified Hugh as being the son of his twin Hugh, whose brothers were Alex and Robert and much younger than Hugh.  I wonder if nephew James was in fact his son James back in Ni.  Any info on him would be very welcome too.
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Re: Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 19 August 21 09:12 BST (UK) »
I think it's just a mistake in 1911 census as both his birth and death record him as JAMES Smyth Scott- born 4 Mar.1909 at Ballylame and died there 21 May 1912-

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01617/1648155.pdf  (James Smyth Scott)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05360/4494309.pdf (James Smyth Scott)
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Re: Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 August 21 09:25 BST (UK) »
Aghadowey, thanks once again for help.  I had searched high and low for ages for John but I do know that census is prone to error.   So very sad about this little one.  No idea then who James the nephew was as I was only aware of one brother Hugh.  Charlie's son Hugh then the only son not accounted for, and yes, the daughters did stay in NZ.
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Re: Charles Scott, Ballynian/Ballylame Garvagh
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 19 August 21 09:38 BST (UK) »
Two possibilities for nephew Hugh Scott at funeral in 1937 from 1911 census?

Hugh Scott, son of Hugh, age 13 in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Garvagh/Moyletra__Kill/590894/
Born 1898 Moyletra, son of Hugh Scott & Hannah Lyttle-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02099/1799727.pdf
Father Hugh Scott son of Alexander Scott-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10705/5902666.pdf

Hugh Scott, son of Henrietta, age 2 in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/The_Grove/Ballynian/595320/
Born 1908 Ballynian, son of Hugh Scott & Henrietta Kelso-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01638/1654759.pdf
Father Hugh Scott was son of Charles Scott-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10325/5758554.pdf

There was also a Hugh Scott born 1907 Lismoyle, son of William Scott & Nancy McCahon-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01680/1668189.pdf

Of course there's the possibility that nephew Hugh Scott born after 1921.
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