John McCormick, Milton 1886

[kjmck]

Hi folks,

I recently found the death record for my 4x great uncle, John McCormick. These are the details on the record -

John McCormick, Brickfield Labourer, Widower of Rose Boyle. 18th March 1886, 62 years, at 202 Possil Road, Milton. U/r 9 Little Street, Glasgow. Parents - Duncan McCormick, Bottle Work Labourer (deceased) & Alice Dillon (deceased). Cause - Probably Heart Disease. Informant - Daniel McCormick, Brother, Occupier (present).

There is then a revised record made at a later date which reads -

John McCormack, 72 years, male. On the 18th March 1886. In the house at 202 Possil Road, Glasgow. Occupied by Daniel McCormack, Junior Brickmaker residing there. Usual residence, 9 Little Street, Calton, Glasgow. Cause - Natural causes, very probably exhaustion and old age.

John was born 11th December 1813, Greenock, Renfrewshire.

I can't find John & Rose in a census record together. Nor can I seem to find a death for Rose McCormick nee Boyle, nor a marriage record for John & Rose. Would anyone be able to help me find this couple in some sort of record?

Many thanks,
Keelan

[loobylooayr]

Hi,

You say you haven't found Rose and John together on any Census.
Have you been able to find John McCormick on all the Censuses from 1841 - 1881? If so is he noted as being M for Married on any of them?

Looby

[kjmck]

Hello!

I have found John in 1841.
John Mccormick, 25 (1816). Address - Glen, Lanarkshire. In the household of Matthew Harvey, 25, Ireland, & Ann Harvey, 20, Ireland. (Ann Harvey nee Boyle was the sister in law of John's brother Daniel). And no, I haven't found a Rose Boyle connected with Ann's family as of yet.

John in 1851.
John Mccormick, 33 (1818), born Greenock. Labourer & lodger (general). Unmarried. Address - Foundary Open Farmers Land. Also residing there is a Rose Kane, 40, Widow, Ireland & Daniel Kane, 13, Ireland.

Just found a potential for 1861.
John McCormick, 40, Greenock. Armour St, Glasgow St John.
Rosa McCormick, 43, Ireland. Wife.

[loobylooayr]

I saw the 1851 Census with Rose Kane in the household and wondered if John had been in a relationship with this woman and never married her. They might have passed eventually as man and wife.

1841 -The name Boyle being connected to Daniel MCCormick's sister-in-law is interesting....will there be a link to a Rose Boyle or did Daniel get muddled when he registered John's death and gave his deceased wife the wrong surname ??
!861 - Looks a good possibility.

Looby

[kjmck]

It is possible yes I suppose. It's a shame it doesn't help to try and find out more about the couple. I can't yet track down a death for Rose nor a marriage or death for her son Daniel.

I have found an 1881 England census for Lamesley in Durham.
John Mc Cormick   50
Rose Mc Cormick   58
Thomas Mc Court   23
Edward Mc Court   20
John Welsh   26
Alice Mc Court   22

However John & Rose are noted as being both born in Ireland, and John was born in Greenock. I noticed the young lady Alice McCourt, who was John's niece from his sister Margaret McCourt nee McCormick by her husband Hugh McCourt. Alice caught my attention as John's mother was Alice Dillon. I think it's a bit of a reach though.

1871 census for Scotland

Nancy Mckirdy 55 Head Ireland
Susan Mccall 50   Boarder Ireland
Rosy Mccormick   42 Boarder Ireland
Edward Mccormick 4 Boarder Ireland (though it was Bernard McCormick, 10).

Thats all there is that I can see.

At least the death record for John in 1886 gives extra confirmation of his mother's name, Alice Dillon, as on all of the baptismal records for her children she is listed as 'Ismene' or something to the like.

[rosie17]

Going by the 1881 census you found in Durham I would say this is the same family on the 1871 Census at Marley Hill Durham
John McCormick age 40 born Ireland ( coal miner )
Rose McCormick age 38 born Ireland
Alice McCourt age 11 born Carlisle ( niece )
Peter Riley age 40 born Ireland ( boarder )
Patrick Halfpenny age 36 Ireland ( boarder )

1861 Census also Durham
John McCormick 33 born Ireland
Rose McCormick 29 Ireland
Mary McCormick 74 Ireland ( mother )
William Robinson 16 Ireland ( nephew )
Peter Reilly 36 boarder
2 other boarders in household

This fami!y still in Durham on the 1851 census on all forms John McCormick is born Ireland about 1830

Rosie

[rosie17]

1891 census for John McCormick and Rose still in Marley Hill Durham so not your John

Rosie

[kjmck]

Well that puts a line under that then, thank you for looking into it for me. John & Rose remain elusive...for now

[climbert]

  hi l dont know if this is anything but my grandfather James okane was married to marron McCormack they lived in 7 Albert street possilpark  witch l think changed its name to possil road my grandfather died in a drowning in 1913 and my grandmother 1915 with heart trouble there was 5 kids left marron was from mull l think the children some went were taken there but l am still searching one might have been rose as my grandfather's mother was rose as l say l am still trying think l have started rambling again