Records help

[sueellio]

So I wonder where the info re Ireland came from then? I'll have a look for some info on his mother, Sophia.
Thank you everyone.

[ShaunJ]

One of his WW1 pension index cards has two army numbers: 58454 and 1018859.

There is a Royal Artillery attestation register entry for Charles Ernest Rodgers 1018859 (formerly 58454), a barman, born Lambeth, attested at Stratford 30/8/1909. Married Elsie May Dickinson at Houghton-le-Spring 30/9/1914. Served in France 1915, India 1917, Salonika 1915-1917. Discharged 29/8/1921.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FROYALART%2F1018001-1019000%2F00146&parentid=GBM%2FROYALART%2F39524

[sueellio]

One of his WW1 pension index cards has two army numbers: 58454 and 1018859.

There is a Royal Artillery attestation register entry for Charles Ernest Rodgers 1018859 (formerly 58454), a barman, born Lambeth, attested at Stratford 30/8/1909. Married Elsie May Dickinson at Houghton-le-Spring 30/9/1914. Served in France 1915, India 1917, Salonika 1915-1917. Discharged 29/8/1921.


https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FROYALART%2F1018001-1019000%2F00146&parentid=GBM%2FROYALART%2F39524

Fabulous info' . Thanks. I don't have a FindMyPast sub'.

[Tickettyboo]

The London "parish record" is not a baptism register. It's headed up "Register of Births" and every birth on the page is illegitimate. Its provenance is not clear.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1558/images/31362_189886-01031?pId=45661

I searched and the citation for that record is:

London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; London Church of England Parish Registers; Reference Number: LABG/174/01

and this page on Family Search has that as from the Board of Guardians Records at LMA
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1390389?availability=Family%20History%20Library

I'd try emailing the LMA to see if they can give any more info about that catalogue reference, I am unsure if they are baptisms or just a list of illegitimate births so they could perhaps get the reputed father to finance the upkeep of the child rather than the Guardians paying.

Boo

[sueellio]

The London "parish record" is not a baptism register. It's headed up "Register of Births" and every birth on the page is illegitimate. Its provenance is not clear.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1558/images/31362_189886-01031?pId=45661

I searched and the citation for that record is:

London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; London Church of England Parish Registers; Reference Number: LABG/174/01

and this page on Family Search has that as from the Board of Guardians Records at LMA
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1390389?availability=Family%20History%20Library

I'd try emailing the LMA to see if they can give any more info about that catalogue reference, I am unsure if they are baptisms or just a list of illegitimate births so they could perhaps get the reputed father to finance the upkeep of the child rather than the Guardians paying.

Boo

Thank you Boo.

[CraigM63]

This is his birth registration from the GRO Indexes, he was definitely born illegitimately as there is no mother's maiden name recorded, his birth has been registered under her surname instead.

ROGERS, CHARLES  ERNEST      Mother's maiden name: -     
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 366

On Ancestry, the reference that ShaunJ found comes up as being associated with the Lambeth Poor Law Union, although it unfortunately doesn't seem to be listed separately under the parishes list for Lambeth, it just seems to come up under Lambeth itself. There are at least two other registers under the same heading, one of which is for births in the Lambeth Workhouse. 

It appears that Charles and Elsie also had a son, Robert Steward Rodgers, who was lost in the torpedoing and subsequent sinking of HMS Fearless in July 1941.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2486994/ROBERT%20STEWARD%20RODGERS/

[sueellio]

This is his birth registration from the GRO Indexes, he was definitely born illegitimately as there is no mother's maiden name recorded, his birth has been registered under her surname instead.

ROGERS, CHARLES  ERNEST      Mother's maiden name: -     
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 366

On Ancestry, the reference that ShaunJ found comes up as being associated with the Lambeth Poor Law Union, although it unfortunately doesn't seem to be listed separately under the parishes list for Lambeth, it just seems to come up under Lambeth itself. There are at least two other registers under the same heading, one of which is for births in the Lambeth Workhouse. 

It appears that Charles and Elsie also had a son, Robert Steward Rodgers, who was lost in the torpedoing and subsequent sinking of HMS Fearless in July 1941.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2486994/ROBERT%20STEWARD%20RODGERS/

Thank you. Yes, that's correct re Robert.

[sueellio]

Hi. I have a 1921 military  record for Charles Ernest Rodgers b 1891. Regiment  is the RFA, rank gunner and his number is 58454. At the time he was living in Fence Houses, Durham. The location and year  of of birth  are how I know that the record  refers to the person I'm searching for info' about.
I know little else definite about him prior to this military record, but he MAY have been born in Ireland and come over to England with 2 brothers to join the military when he was aged about 15, so around 1906.
He married in Fence Houses in 1914, but I can't find him on the 1911 census in Fence Houses.
I did find a London parish birth record for a Charles Ernest ROGERS JULY 3RD 1891 , mother Sophia ROGERS. No father listed. The document does record whether legitimate or illegitimate, but that info hasn't been transcribed onto the ancestry record and the image of the doc is chopped off so I can only see the first few letters ,which I think are " ILL.."
I wasn't sure from the record if these were poor law union records or not? Also not sure what images I'm  allowed to post here.
Any help greatly appreciated

I'm not sure if I should start a new topic in a different board.
On hunting around for his mother, Sophia/ Sophie, I've found another illegitimate birth to a Sophia Rogers in Lambeth in  May 1893. John William Rogers
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1558/images/31362_189886-00114?pId=37227


Also a record for a Sophia Rogers in the London Workhouse admissions and discharges came up in an ancestry search, but I don't have the higher subscription to view it.

If Charles Ernest first enlisted in 1909 would there be a record of his NOK? Presumably it may just be his mother's name with no other details.
Curious regarding the 1911 census record of him in Salisbury, but he's marrying in Fencehouses in 1914 and the lady who's  his grandaughter seems to think he was a guest at her grandmother's family's guesthouse in Fencehouses and that's how he and Elsie May met.
I did find a 1901 census record for a Charles Rogers aged 10 at Craven College  St Pancras. Looking at the info' available it seems it was a fee paying school , which I found curious.  I can't find any other 1901 census record which would be a possibility for him.

[ShaunJ]

I can't find any other 1901 census record which would be a possibility for him.

In the 1901 census in Islington there's this curious listing at 13 Charlotte Street:

Eliza D Brown age 60 born Rainham Essex
Sarah Adams age 40 daughter born Lambeth
Charles E (no surname) age 9 visitor born Lambeth