Henry SUMBLER 1771 Calne, Wiltshire - transcript but no christening?

[Ayashi]

Hi all

I've been looking at DNA matches and found a common surname- SUMBLER. In tracing back their line,  I've got to Henry SUMBLER and Jane WHATLEY, who married in 1766, Calne, Wiltshire. Known children include Betty 1767, John 1769, Thomas 1772, Jane 1774 and Stephen 1776.

I had hoped I could fit in my ancestor, Henry, but I'm doubting that the more I look at this. My Henry married in 1786 (first child 1785) so his preliminary dob was going to be late 1760s. A potential burial gives dob 1766.

The only christening I can see is Henry SUMBLER 1771 Calne, Wiltshire.

Here's the problem- the two transcripts (Anc, FindMyPast) do not have parents details but agree on the date being 18 Feb 1771. Anc has Wiltshire PR images but when I looked at 1771 the christening isn't there. In order to have transcripts, it must exist somewhere, right? Either on a different document, a different year or a different place 

I checked it hoping for a child a few years old, but then found Betty and John as above, which made that seem very unlikely where this couple is concerned. Nevertheless, I suspect there's a link somewhere if I get back far enough. There are a few SUMBLER couples in Calne at this time and I'm hoping I can fit Henry 1771 in somewhere... if only I can find out who he is.

Can someone help me track down this elusive entry?

Thanks in advance
Ayashi

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Edit- I may have answered my own question... sigh

The marriage of Henry SUMBLER to Mary COSTER was 18 Feb 1771, Calne. No wonder there were no parents on it, it was a marriage not a christening. Just goes to show how reliable transcripts can be 

That does leave me without a christening for my Henry though. Back to the drawing board. 

[goldie61]

There is a tree on Ancestry that shows Henry Sumbler  20th April 1766 at Stockley Calne, Wiltshire.
Father Isaac, mother Sarah Long.
It says a source attached, but this takes you to his burial in 1823 in Calne.
Whilst I am always very sceptical about anything on a tree on Ancestry, with such a specific date of birth or baptism given, it makes me wonder if it has been found somewhere.
It is certain that all the information from Calne registers are online? They may still be at the Wiltshire and swindon History Centre in Chippenham - which is where the source citation for the burial in 1832 comes from.
Perphas you could work backwards and check up on Isaac and see what you can find.
I had a very quick look on Ancestry and findmypast for Sumbler Wiltshire wills.
Both came up with a different list of people, so I think you may need to look into this further.
If you can find a will for Isaac Sumbler, or indeed any other Sumblers in Wiltshire, this may give you some clues.

[rosie99]

Here's the problem- the two transcripts (Anc, FindMyPast) do not have parents details but agree on the date being 18 Feb 1771. Anc has Wiltshire PR images but when I looked at 1771 the christening isn't there. In order to have transcripts, it must exist somewhere, right? Either on a different document, a different year or a different place 

Both of those transcripts come from the same source, familysearch.  The one on Ancestry quotes the film number 1279383.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1279383

If it was in Calne then it is on the BT's

[Ayashi]

Both of those transcripts come from the same source, familysearch.  The one on Ancestry quotes the film number 1279383.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1279383

If it was in Calne then it is on the BT's

Thanks. As in the edit above, I think someone made a booboo when indexing it as a christening.

There is a tree on Ancestry that shows Henry Sumbler  20th April 1766 at Stockley Calne, Wiltshire.
Father Isaac, mother Sarah Long.
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It is certain that all the information from Calne registers are online?

Thank you very much Goldie. I'll work on this, although the PR image for 1766 does not show this christening.

I am no expert on Calne registers. There seems to be fair coverage at least, although I believe I'm getting to the limits of it.

The first tree of many... They've got a death for Mary SUMBLER in 1841- except they obviously haven't obtained the cert, there were multiple Marys (including wives of a Henry) and the GRO gives the age for a dob of 1778 (for a marriage in 1786...) Off to a good start. It looks like his wife was nee SUMBLER. ~~~ I think rather a lot of people have just sheeped each other but where the original info came from no idea 

(On an unrelated note, whoever was writing the Calne PRs at this point was hilariously bad at spelling. Having an occupation of Scribler sounds like something I could do though  or maybe try my hand at being an Organnis. A meason was probably hard work...)

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OK, I think I've found the marriage they are talking about- Isaac [SUMNER?] to Sarah LONG 1762, Rowde. No other details, which seems to indicate they were both native of Rowde. Still no idea about the children, although as you say, one assumes someone saw something somewhere 

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BINGO the christenings are in BROMHAM not Calne, according to FindMyPast, and are under SUMNER