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Looking for these ancestors for 40 years
« on: Sunday 31 October 21 09:15 GMT (UK) »
Sitting on top of my Oxfordshire tree are Benjamin and Anthony Rowles.
Benjamin Rowles married Joan Sparrowhawk on 15th January 1628 at Witney.
Anthony married another Joan [surname unknown] on 9th April 1632 also at Witney.
They both had sons named after each other and both had a Ralfe.
I have always assumed they were brothers but where did they originate from.
They were the almost the first 'Rowles' in the county so it seems logical that they probably came over the border from Gloucester as they were both masons by trade.

Can anyone help find their baptisms.
I don't know their ages as both their burials are missing thanks to Cromwell.
Maybe they are listed in the Archdeacon's Transcripts of Bishops Transcripts - I don't know.

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Re: Looking for these ancestors for 40 years
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 31 October 21 10:50 GMT (UK) »
I can't find anything on Anthony and Benjamin, but I did come across one of Benjamin's sons.

An index to Gloucester Apprentices has John Rowles, son of Benjamin, a mason of Hailes [then in the parish of Witney, for anyone who may be wondering], being apprenticed to Thomas Chamley, a sealmaker, in 1646.

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Re: Looking for these ancestors for 40 years
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 October 21 16:43 GMT (UK) »
Well done Arthurk.
This confirms my suspicions that Benjamin and Anthony came from the Gloucestershire area.
They obviously still had connections there.
It's another step forward, thank you.

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Re: Looking for these ancestors for 40 years
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 31 October 21 18:27 GMT (UK) »
Some surnames have a habit of being spelt differently when they move to new towns and certainly when they cross the borders of the old county "Shires".

Maybe your surname once crossed the English channel:-

"Rowles is one of the many new names that came to England following the Norman Conquest of 1066. The Rowles family lived in Yorkshire. Their name, however, is a reference to Roullours, in Calvados, in the arrondissement of Dieppe, Normandy, the family's place of residence prior to the Norman Conquest of England in 1066."
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Re: Looking for these ancestors for 40 years
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 November 21 16:11 GMT (UK) »
The obituary notice states that Hazel May Rowles nee Mallory died before Robert William.
Can anyone find this date for me? or can find out where she was buried.
All help is wonderful and very much appreciated.

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Re: Looking for these ancestors for 40 years
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 November 21 17:15 GMT (UK) »
What else can you tell us about Hazel May Mallory and Robert William Rowles, eg where and when did they marry? It's the first time you've mentioned them in this thread, so we don't really have anything to go on. And which obituary notice? Is it one that you've come across but can't remember where?

(I'm assuming we're not still back in the 17th century  ;D)

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Re: Looking for these ancestors for 40 years
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 November 21 17:17 GMT (UK) »
The obituary notice states that Hazel May Rowles nee Mallory died before Robert William.
Can anyone find this date for me? or can find out where she was buried.
All help is wonderful and very much appreciated.

https://www.geni.com/people/Hazel-Rowles/6000000114091935821

The dates given here are not for your Hazel - this info is wrong. 
Hazel predeceased Robert who died in 1948

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/225643300/hazel-rowles

Canadian thread - May 2021

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849007.0

Canadian thread - Today 1 st Nov 2021

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854875.0

Obit says Hazel pre-deceased Robert

The Ottawa Journal Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
6 Aug 1948, Fri    Page 28

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/88159032/robert-w-rowles-wife-pre-deceased/

The Ottawa Citizen Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
7 Aug 1948, Sat    Page 9

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/55007138/obituary-for-r-w-rowles-aged-70/

The Ottawa Journal Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
6 Aug 1948, Fri    Page 24

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/88159182/rober6t-william-rowles-6-august-1948/

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Re: Looking for these ancestors for 40 years
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 November 21 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Sorry folks.
I have posted information about Robert William and Hazel in the section.
It must be my age. Please ignore this error.