Ann West where is her family ?

[weenie]

Evening all , im posting in this board rather than the North Riding as i feel it fits better here.
I thought my 4th gt grandparents were William Dobson and Ann Bland, however last week i stumbled upon a RC batism of there set of twins which state Ann is Ann West. however i can not find a marriage to William and Ann West. here is what i have

William b 1800 York, to John and Mary Dobson. he doesnt appear on the 1841 census that ive found. but appears on the 1851 census without Ann with children John b 1830 (my line) Mary Ann b1831, Elizabeth 1838, William the 2nd b 1840 , Thomas 1843 and Bessy 1846 and his father John. william is Widowed on this census and marries Mary Rutledge Alderson 1853 and appears on the 1861 census with her, i think Mary dies 1871 and William 1874 but not 100%.
now Ann appears on the 1841 census without William and children Sarah b1833 twin, Ann 1835, Elizabeth 1838 and William 2nd b1840 -
Children John and Mary Ann are in Blue coat and Gray coat school on 41 census.
now all children are baptised at St Sampson York. then last week i found a RC record for twins Sarah and William b 1833 baptised the day after birth and states parents William Dobson and Ann West. there is also a baptism for them at St Sampson a month later, William died in 1834 so i guess they batised the twins asap. so im wondering where the Ann West comes in.
for years ive had the marriage as Ann Bland 1830 St Sampson York. so i did the usual GRO mmn with the children after 1837 and all are West.

so where is the marriage for William Dobson to Ann West?.
The 1841 census puts Anns birth abt 1811 but a possible death in 1849 puts it at 1806. now there is a baptism for Ann West 1805 Saxton in Elmet to Robert West and Frances, he a Tailor, ive also found possible siblings Francis, 1794, Hannah 1801 and Ruth 1810. all same Saxton in Elmet occ Tailor .
i also cannot find any marriage or further information on Robert and Frances. there is a marriage Robert West to Frances Hall in 1815 Pickering, but i very doubt this is theirs with children born 20 years previously.

so Where is the wedding of William Dobson and Ann West?. or her parents for that matter?

ive also wondered if Ann was West and married a Bland but drawn a blank.
any help greatly appriciated

Weenie

[Jomot]

You don't say whether you've adjusted for roundings in the 1841 census, so if not then Ann may well be slightly older than the census indicates. 

There is a baptism in York 24 Oct 1813 (born 24 Mar 1808) Ann d/o William & Sarah West, Walmgate, Weaver.

The only other baptisms that may be to the same couple are on 24 Mar 1819 - James & Sally to parents William & Sarah West, Flax Dresser, Without Walmgate Bar.  No DoB is given for either child, and it doesn't state whether they are twins.

Sarah West of Walmgate aged 65 (born c1774) was buried 22 Mar 1839
William West of Walmgate aged 70 (born c1770) was buried 22 Mar 1840

I don't see a marriage of a William West to a Sarah, so it's perhaps Sarah's true name was Sarah Bland and so Ann used this surname at marriage?

Familysearch has a marriage at Scalby 4 Mar 1802 between William Bland aged 29 of York & Sarah Wiseman aged 25, although I don't see any children baptised to this couple, so is it William & Sarah West under another surname?  Or could it be that they split up & Sarah went on to have children with William West?

There is another marriage in 1804, York, between William Bland & Margaret Brown.  The baptism of their daughter in 1805 says William Bland is a butcher of Swinegate.

[amondg]

There is a death registered York in 1849 for Ann Dobson age 43 (June Quarter)

ADDED
York registration
John Dobson age 22 in 1853 so born circa 1830/31(is this your line? William's son)

John Dobson age 77 in 1853 so born circa 1776 this must be William's father.

[amondg]

Freereg Saint Sampson Church
William Dobson, of this parish-Butcher to Ann Bland of All Saints Pavement 6 October 1830.

Perhaps the Ann Bland is the daughter of William bap 1805 who is also a butcher. (found by Jomot)

[wivenhoe]

Is this your family?

Census England 1851   @ Hungate Bainbridge Yard      St Saviour Yorkshire
DOBSON  John  head   74y  wid.  tailor            b. York
DOBSON  William        48y  wid.  rail lab.         b. York
DOBSON  John            21y  gson brick lab.       b. York
DOBSON  Mary            19y gdau dressmaker   b. York
DOBSON  Elizabeth      13y gdau                     b. York
DOBSON  William        11y  gson                     b. York
DOBSON  Thompson     8y  gson                     b. York
DOBSON  Elizabeth       5y  gdau                    b. York


GRO births
DOBSON, Eliza   mms.   WEST 
1838  JunQ       York in the City and County of York  Vol  23  page  631

DOBSON, William   mms.      WEST 
1840  JunQ        York in the City and County of York  Vol 23  Page 667

DOBSON, Thomas   mms.     WEST 
1843  MarQ       York in the City and County of York  Vol 23  Page 661

DOBSON, Bessey    mms.     WEST 
1846  MarQ       York in the City and County of York  Vol 23  Page 741

[weenie]

Thankyou to all the replies. i will reply individually :

JOMOT: no i didnt round up the 41 census birth, but it did give about 1811 and the death in 1849 gives it 43 years so 1806 = im looking at either side.
the batism in 1813 York would work, however on the 41 census it says N for Ann not in this parish, which makes me thing the Saxton in Elmet one which comes under Tadcaster/Leeds area.

i dont think Ann is Ann Bland, as i did trace Ann Bland parents before i found the RC batism for their twins and the MMN on GRO stating WEST. - i think William Dobson and Ann Bland are a seperate family altogether.

AMONDG : yes i have Ann death in 1849
John Dobson father of William died 1853 aged 77. the my John line lived till 1894 and moved to Armley Leeds. after for his 1st marriage in 1851.
I also had the marriage of Ann Bland to William in 1830 , but on the other census for William he wasnt a Butcher - but i did think they could change occupations when i thought Ann Bland was my family.

WIVENHOE: Yes this is my family.

Thankyou
Weenie 

[weenie]

Just a thought that possible Ann West parents are William and Sarah, would fit if they kept the naming patter of children. John and Mary Ann born 1st after William parents and mum Ann, then Twins William and Sarah after Ann parents ??

Weenie

[amondg]

1841 census the N means not born in county
As a railway labourer who knows where he met Ann West.

[dobfarm]

William Dobson X Ann Bland marriage either its a dades parish record or a marriage by 'license bond marriage' that gives age at marriage,

William Dobson born 1793 aged 37 at marriage, to Ann Bland, born 1803 aged 27 at marriage 6 th Oct 1830 at St Sampspn York.

There could be a application for a bond allegation of this marriage at York Borthwick archives situated at York University.