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Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 19:21 GMT (UK) »
My g.g. grandfather Patrick Brien, born in 1824 in Munny, Kilcormac Kings County, married Anne Dunne, from Munny. He had been a soldier in the EIC. Also listed in 1875, 4 years before his death, as being fined for allowing 2 asses to wander on the road in Munny, for which he was fined. However they were married in 1863 at the RC Church of The Assumption in Carlow Town. Gives Patrick's occupation as coal merchant. Isn't that a bit far to be moving to live just to sell coal? I know it's definitely the right people, as it states his wife Anne Dunne was from Mooney, meaning Munny. So i'm just wondering if before he changed jobs and started working as a coal merchant, if the East India Company's army were ever stationed in or near Carlow Town?
O`Brien and  Dunne.

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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 19:50 GMT (UK) »
No is the answer, but if he was serving with HEIC in the late 1850's it's likely that his regiment was absorbed into the British Army following the Mutiny.

Can I ask how you know that he served with HEIC?
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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 20:45 GMT (UK) »

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Can I ask how you know that he served with HEIC?

Here's Patrick Brien's death record in 1879 at Money townland.
Occupation - Army Pensioner - East India Company's service.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06516/4876785.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/offaly/ballyboy/ballyboy/derrinboy/money/


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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 21:48 GMT (UK) »
Yes, this is the correct record for Patrick Brien.
O`Brien and  Dunne.


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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 29 November 21 13:13 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the marriage entry it gives the address for both parties as Coal Market which is a street in Carlow town .Its now called Kennedy street .
I wonder perhaps is this where you got the coal merchant from ?

The address given for his parents looks like Black????? Kildare to me (Blackswood near Prosperous ?)

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634430#page/25/mode/1up
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley Colman Deegan Dunne Maher Dempsey Conlon Griffin Bergin Lalor Keys Bonham Brennan Hart(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Mullen Hanaway Brennan Keeffe Reddy (Carlow)
O'Neill Doyle Donnelly Devlin  (Tyrone) Connor, Burbidge,McNally (Dublin)Hannon McCarthy (Tipperary)Healy Miley Treacy (Wicklow)Kelly (Kildare)

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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 29 November 21 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the marriage entry it gives the address for both parties as Coal Market which is a street in Carlow town .Its now called Kennedy street .
I wonder perhaps is this where you got the coal merchant from ?

The address given for his parents looks like Black????? Kildare to me (Blackswood near Prosperous ?)

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634430#page/25/mode/1up
Hello. Many thanks for that info on Coal Market being in fact the name of a street. I would never have guessed that.
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McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley Colman Deegan Dunne Maher Dempsey Conlon Griffin Bergin Lalor Keys Bonham Brennan Hart(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Mullen Hanaway Brennan Keeffe Reddy (Carlow)
O'Neill Doyle Donnelly Devlin  (Tyrone) Connor, Burbidge,McNally (Dublin)Hannon McCarthy (Tipperary)Healy Miley Treacy (Wicklow)Kelly (Kildare)

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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 29 November 21 13:35 GMT (UK) »

Looking at the marriage entry it gives the address for both parties as Coal Market which is a street in Carlow town .Its now called Kennedy street .


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Coal Market south of St Mary's Church
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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 01:52 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the marriage entry it gives the address for both parties as Coal Market which is a street in Carlow town .Its now called Kennedy street .
I wonder perhaps is this where you got the coal merchant from ?

The address given for his parents looks like Black????? Kildare to me (Blackswood near Prosperous ?)

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634430#page/25/mode/1up

Occupations weren't stated in this marriage register.
Notice that there was a dispensation for the marriage. The reason is in the final column on the opposite page - "Vagi" Latin for someone moving around, meaning that they weren't residents of the parish.
Were Patrick's children born in Ireland? Birth registrations 1864 onwards will have father's residence & occupation.
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