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[majm]

Hi

May I ask about Mary.  How sure are you that the  lass who married Henry BROWN is your ancestor?  Is it simply because you cannot find her on UK census? 

Theres quite a few lasses in the 1830s who are named Mary LEWIS.  Some came free, some came as domestic help to garrison forces, some came under immigration schemes, some were serving a sentence of a civil court.  Not all were named on shipping lists. Not all available archives are digitised and available via commercial family history websites.

There will be scant information on the 1835  NSW BDM record.

I would anticipate that Mary's child had accompanied her to NSW.


JM

[wivenhoe]

From the numerous earlier posts on Rootschat about Harriet -


"Harriett THOMAS married William HARVEY (both of full age according to cert) on October 10th 1865, he a bachelor and she a spinster."

Is this the marriage -  You are researching the origins of this Harriet THOMAS?

FreeBDM   DecQ 1865  Vol 6a   page  63
THOMAS Harriet     marr.   HARVEY William

You have a marriage certificate for this Harriet, whose origins you are researching.

Can you please list all the information on the certificate please.

[sparrett]

A researcher here has offered a small amount of information about Mary LEWIS, convict.
Of course one must take a cautious approach regarding accuracy, but it does support Lisajb's findings

https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/lewis/mary/6195

Sue

[Neale1961]

The birth (8 Dec 1831 at Carmarthen), and baptism of a base child named Harriet THOMAS to Rees THOMAS (occ. farmer) and Mary LEWIS (spinster) can be viewed on FreeReg.

I have viewed 2 versions of the convict indent for Mary LEWIS  (per “George Hibbert” 1834)
The hand written indent records Mary as single and having 1 child (no sex indicated).
The typed version of the indent records Mary as single and having 1 male child.  Sex of child maybe an error? - Snip of this posted below.
There is no indication that her child was on board with her. There are a few children recorded as on board with mother.

Convict lists has Mary LEWIS (per “George Hibbert” 1834) disposed of to Esther BIGGE, Sydney.
Esther BIGGE (nee SPENCER) was an ex-convict “per Indispensible 1796”. In 1822, she married Joseph BIGGE ex-73rd Regiment, and Lachlan Macquarie’s coachman. They kept livery stables and a lodging-house in Sydney. Joseph BIGG had died in July 1833.

[majm]

I will try to follow up on the following, but unlike VDL convict records, NSW ones can be less than informative about the individual. 

So I should mention that :  NSW female convict records .... errr ..... A baby being nursed did not need to be counted when their mum was being transported as there was no need for the ship to provide or allocate provisions for the infant, so infants accompanying their mums are rarely notated in the official NSW records.   

Sadly I note the passing of Babette Smith last month ( November,);   she would know where I could immediately  source that background info re NSW female convicts.  I am positive that many babies were not "manifested' in the 1820s, but I do not know about 1830s.

JM.

[sparrett]

Having a dependent infant would be huge incentive for a woman  to marry as soon as possible.
Women were a scarce commodity in the colony at the time and perhaps Henry BROWN's 'proposal' came swiftly and was swiftly accepted 

Sue

[Lisajb]

Lots to catch up with overnight - Merry Christmas everyone! 

I think Harriet remained in Wales. In 1841 she appears in the household of David Thomas, 65, and Elizabeth Thomas, 69, in St Ishmael, Carmarthenshire - although she has been mistranscribed as Herbert and described as Lodger, although this has been struck through. HO 107 1385 2. Are David and Elizabeth possibly related to Rees, Harriet’s father? I’ve not found anything to confirm or deny.

In 1851 she is still with Elizabeth, who  is now widowed, described as cordwainers widow, parish relief. Harriet is definitely Harriet this time, although described as Nephew…

 By 1861 Harriet has moved to Bristol.

[Lisajb]

From the numerous earlier posts on Rootschat about Harriet -


"Harriett THOMAS married William HARVEY (both of full age according to cert) on October 10th 1865, he a bachelor and she a spinster."

Is this the marriage -  You are researching the origins of this Harriet THOMAS?

FreeBDM   DecQ 1865  Vol 6a   page  63
THOMAS Harriet     marr.   HARVEY William

You have a marriage certificate for this Harriet, whose origins you are researching.

Can you please list all the information on the certificate please.

Marriage took place on October 10th 1865 at the parish church of St Nicholas parish, Bristol, both of full age, bachelor and spinster, he a labourer, she no occupation given. Fathers were William Harvey, a labourer, and Rees Thomas (although handwriting dreadful - I did go to Bristol archives to view the records held there), who is down as a ship carpenter (on Harriet’s baptism he is dien as a farmer from St Ishmael). Witnesses are another William Harvey, and Maria Sarah Williams.

[Lisajb]

Looking at NSW BDM, this says that this particular record is “unavailable”.

That just means it has never been requested before, and therefore is not available for an immediate download. However, it can be ordered - and will take some days for you to received it. I am not sure what the wait time will be at this time of year, with holidays, etc.

How much do Australian certificates cost, and can they be sent to the U.K., or is there a PDF option?