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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 30 December 21 01:35 GMT (UK) »
There is also a WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers record for him on Fold3.
It's dated 7 December 1917 and includes this address: 27 Gibbon Street, Beadford, Manchester.

Hillhurst, I was wondering if the below record from Fold3 is different from the one you so kindly found for me? It's just that they have different Reference Numbers and it might contain more information.  I note that the Service Number is listed as 242685 instead of 242865, but maybe worth a look anyway.

UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name:   Thomas Barnes
Gender:   Male
Rank:   Corporal
Record Type:   Disability
Military Service Region:   North West, North West
Military Country:   England
Service Number:   242685
Corps, Regiment or Unit:   Lancashire Fusiliers
Service Branch:   Military (Army)
Title:   WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description:   Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number:   3/MB/19506
Next of Kin:   Name   Relation to Soldier
Thomas Barnes   

Fingers crossed,

Margaret  :)
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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 30 December 21 05:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Margaret - it took me a few attempts to locate this record via Ancestry, but finally got there in the end.
The Pension card is there, but unfortunately the Disability section is blank. No DoB. And there are no next of kin details nor addresses. Very frustrating! The card is virtually lacking in vital information (for researchers).
By the way, the Ref/Regional number simply refers to the soldier's region (3 = northwest); MB = Military (Army) and Barnes (his surname). I think 19506 is the Pension card number.

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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 30 December 21 18:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hillhurst,
Never mind - thank you for trying.

It's strange that the Disability section is blank with no date of birth or address recorded etc., considering he was discharged on 7 Dec 1917 on account of being permanently physically unfit - see entry below re Silver Badge record.

Margaret  :)
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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 30 December 21 18:16 GMT (UK) »
He Enlisted as Pte 4590 29 August 1914  and was Medically Discharged on 7 December 1917 as Cpl 242865 and issued with his Silver Badge - Number 279597
That Card can be seen on Ancestry

Thanks again ALAMO2008

UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920
242865  Cpl Barnes T  Lancs Fusls (T.F.) Badge No: 279597  Enlisted 20 Aug 1914 
Discharged 7 Dec 1917  Age 24.
Cause of Discharge (Wounds or sickness and para. K.R.)  Para 392 xvi King's Regulation al.
Served Overseas.

Margaret :)
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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #22 on: Friday 31 December 21 05:23 GMT (UK) »
Regarding the above Silver War Badge Record

Cause of Discharge (Wounds or sickness and para. K.R.)  Para 392 xvi King's Regulation al.
Served Overseas.

Can anyone tell me what al. means?

Margaret
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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #23 on: Friday 31 December 21 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Lowe(Lower Gornall-Castleford)
Blackburn (Castleford)
Sidwell(Ledsham)
Fairburn(Hartshead)
Wood(Liversedge)
Tallon (Whittington Lancs/Hartshead West Yorkshire)

Researching all Great War soldiers from the Spen Valley of West Yorkshire Especially lads from the Cleckheaton Company of 1/4th West Riding Regiment.

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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #24 on: Friday 31 December 21 17:15 GMT (UK) »

A direct descendant of Thomas, who lives in the United States (who sent the photo) has on her Ancestry family tree only one military source for Thomas - the medal card index for Thomas Barnes, with no explanation. and I am waiting for a reply email from her to confirm my suspicion.

Margaret - has the woman above replied to you yet? It'll be interesting to hear why she feels this Thomas Barnes is also the other chap you mentioned.

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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #25 on: Friday 31 December 21 18:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the link Ady.

Happy New Year!
Margaret
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Re: Help with Medal Rolls Index Card Thomas Barnes
« Reply #26 on: Friday 31 December 21 18:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hillhurst,

Happy New Year!

I'm still waiting for her to reply and trying to remain patient!
I'll let you know as soon as she does with all the details.

Margaret
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